Maxima Clam Alkalinity Consumption

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Hi everyone,

I am new to the thread. Our tank is about 6 months old (Red Sea Max 250C) and have a few softies, LPS frags and one SPS frag. Our alkalinity has always been stable, however I continued to test it knowing that adding more corals would most likely cause the alkalinity to decrease. About a month ago, we added a maxima clam and since then we have had to begin dosing drastically. I am in the now process of determining how much the tank is using per day but it seems to be about 30 mL of ESV bionic two-part system but just part 1. I was dosing both parts (including calcium part 2) but that caused the calcium to go up above where it should be so I stopped. I want to know 1) do clams cause alkalinity to decrease 2) is 30 mL of alkalinity a day a normal rate of consumption for a tank with about 7 LPS frags, one clam and one SPS frag and 3) what dosing method is the best/ what brand is ideal for corals?

Thanks!
Kirsten
 
Welcome to Reef2Reef!

Clams (and corals) use calcium and alkalinity in about the same ratio present in the B-ionic (which is a fine product).

What is the calcium level?

What salt mix? High calcium usually comes from the salt mix.

Manual dosing is fine until the dose gets very high and frequent additions are needed, at which time you may find a dosing pump useful.

This has more on various methods of addition:

https://www.reef2reef.com/blog/the-many-methods-for-supplementing-calcium-and-alkalinity
 
Thank you for your reply.

I am using Instant Ocean Reef Crystals.

Yesterday, calcium was right under 500 ppm, which was less than the day before which was off scale (above 500). It seems to be coming back down since I stopped dosing part 2. Water change is schedule for tomorrow, so it will be interesting to see what the calcium ends up at after that. With dosing 15 mL of part 1 in the morning and 15 mL at night, alkalinity seems to stay between 7.7 and 8.3 dkH. I am thinking about increasing the dose slightly so that it stays higher. I am still researching what dosing pump to get so it gets delivered slowly overtime instead of me dumping it in twice a day.

Thanks!
 
Thanks for the article. I am thinking maybe adding limewater to our auto top-off may actually be the best direction for us now.
 
I expect the calcium will be mostly unchanged after the water change. That dosing and alk level sounds fine, and its fine to hold off a bit on the calcium part, or dose it. Dosing the two part in equal parts to maintain alkalinity shouldn't cause calcium to rise, but rather to keep it steady. :)
 
Is there a good way to get the calcium levels down into the normal range? Is having elevated calcium levels damaging to the corals? Thanks for your help!
 
Hi, I'm having the same problem. I think what khammett is saying is that the CA doesn't decline at the same rate as the Alk.
That's the odd thing about this situation.
I'm having the same problem since I added a maxima clam. I use a CA reactor
My Ca and Alk are the same as khammett.
Is there a logical answer?
 
it's years later and I still find that the clams really soak up the alk. If I ever add a new clam, I always have to adjust the alk dosing.
 
it's years later and I still find that the clams really soak up the alk. If I ever add a new clam, I always have to adjust the alk dosing.
 
it's years later and I still find that the clams really soak up the alk. If I ever add a new clam, I always have to adjust the alk dosing.

Yes, growing clams take up a lot of alkalinity and calcium. In some tanks they can be the main consumer.
 

Are you asking about imbalances? If the media is pure calcium carbonate, and you use a reactor to maintain alk, calcium will slowly rise, just as it dies using limewater/kalkwasser. The reason relates to magnesium being deposited in place of some of the calcium.

Adding some dolomite into the reactor to deliver magnesium instead of some of the calcium is one way to deal with it. Adding alk independently will also work.
 
Are you asking about imbalances? If the media is pure calcium carbonate, and you use a reactor to maintain alk, calcium will slowly rise, just as it dies using limewater/kalkwasser. The reason relates to magnesium being deposited in place of some of the calcium.

Adding some dolomite into the reactor to deliver magnesium instead of some of the calcium is one way to deal with it. Adding alk independently will also work.
Yes I'm asking about I'm talking about imbalances. It seems more pronounced now that I have a máxima clam. Does 5hat seem right?
Yeah, I deal with it by adding alk.
 
Yes I'm asking about I'm talking about imbalances. It seems more pronounced now that I have a máxima clam. Does 5hat seem right?
Yeah, I deal with it by adding alk.

Nope. Clams do not cause alk/calcium imbalances. They consume both in the ratio present in the calcium carbonate they deposit, which is the ratio present in most additive systems (e.g., two part systems). They have no other way of depleting alkalinity.

That said, alkalinity typically "appears" to be higher than calcium, when the normal ratio is taking place:

When Do Calcium and Alkalinity Demand Not Exactly Balance? by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-12/rhf/index.htm

Calcium and Alkalinity Demand: Calcium Carbonate Mathematics

Calcium carbonate formation consumes its two components in an exact 1:1 ratio. In the units used by aquarists, this ratio corresponds to one meq/L (2.8 dKH; 50 ppm CaCO3 equivalents) for every 20 ppm of calcium. Not surprisingly, this is also the ratio of alkalinity to calcium that is supplied when calcium carbonate is dissolved, as in a CaCO3/CO2 reactor. Fortuitously for the aquarist, this is also the ratio supplied when calcium hydroxide is dissolved, as with the use of limewater (kalkwasser).

Apparent Excess Demand for Alkalinity

One of the most common complaints of new aquarists is that their aquaria seem to need more alkalinity than their balanced additive system, such as limewater, is supplying. While there are reasons this may actually be the case over the long term (these will be detailed later in this article), frequently these aquarists are seeing a "chemical mirage" rather than a real excess demand for alkalinity.

One of the interesting features of seawater is that it contains a lot more calcium than alkalinity. By this I mean that if all of the calcium in seawater (420 ppm; 10.5 meq/L) were to be precipitated as calcium carbonate, it would consume 21 meq/L of alkalinity (nearly 10 times as much as is present in natural seawater). In a less drastic scenario, let's say that calcium carbonate is formed from aquarium water starting with an alkalinity of 3 meq/L that it is allowed to drop to 2 meq/L (a 33% drop). How much has the calcium declined? It is a surprise to many people to learn that the calcium would drop by only 20 ppm (5%). Consequently, many aquarists observe that their calcium levels are relatively stable (within their ability to reproducibly test it), but alkalinity can vary up and down substantially. This is exactly what would be expected, given that the aquarium already has such a large reservoir of calcium.


So the first "deviation" from the rule of calcium and alkalinity balance really isn't a deviation at all. If an aquarist is supplying a balanced additive to his aquarium, and calcium seems stable but alkalinity is declining, it may very well be that what is needed is more of the balanced additive, not just alkalinity. This scenario should be assumed as the most likely explanation for most aquarists who should look for more esoteric explanations for alkalinity decline only if calcium RISES substantially while alkalinity falls. Likewise, if alkalinity is rising and calcium seems stable when using a balanced calcium and alkalinity additive system, the most likely explanation is that too much of the additive system is being used.

The real imbalance effects described later in this article take effect slowly, and are manifested over weeks, months and years. This short term "chemical mirage" caused simply by the mathematics of calcium and alkalinity additions can be seen in a single addition. Any effect that develops rapidly over the course of a few days is almost certainly not a true imbalance.

The following scenarios show what can happen to a reef aquarium whose dosage with a balanced additive system does not match its demand. Table 1 shows what can happen when the dosing is inadequate. Alkalinity drops fairly rapidly. After two days, many aquarists might conclude that they need additional alkalinity, when in reality, they need more of both calcium and alkalinity to stabilize the system.

Table 2 shows what happens when too much of a balanced additive is added. After a few days, many aquarists would conclude that alkalinity is rising too much, but that calcium is fairly stable. Again, what is needed is less of the balanced additive, not just less alkalinity.
 

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