Micro and nano bubble tank treatment

711reefer · Jan 8, 2017

so I have jumped on to the bubble wagon. this may have been addressed already but I noticed an increase in calcium and alk after 2 days of scrubbing. I am starting off slow 2 hours a day and going to slowly ramp it up. I check my ca and alk every 2 to 3 days. I have not added any 2 part to my system since I started scrubbing. prior to scrubbing my ca was at 450 and alk was at 7.9. today I check my params and ca is 510 and alk is 8.5. is it normal for ca and alk to rise while scrubbing ? I also noticed my nitrates are up a bit to but I hear this is normal.

Berlibee · Jan 9, 2017

Hello,

I'm fighting dino now so it was a nice time to check something that I wanted to see. I've attached a chart, let me know what do you think about.

Result: Bubbling at night after a regular lighting day is not affecting (removing) night pH drop. But during total blackout in the tank pH is affected every time bubbles are on.

john.m.cole3 · Jan 9, 2017

very interesting...

Berlibee · Jan 9, 2017

I think this is because the tank was covered and in that case aeration helped more. But what I can't understand so why it's not helping when the tank is open. Maybe the drop is so strong that bubbles can't handle the drop.
I will add a more powerful pump 3.9 PSI this week and see if it will work better. Maybe the pump is not strong enough and more air will push that drop back.

Cruz_Arias · Jan 9, 2017

Berlibee said:
I think this is because the tank was covered and in that case aeration helped more. But what I can't understand so why it's not helping when the tank is open. Maybe the drop is so strong that bubbles can't handle the drop.
I will add a more powerful pump 3.9 PSI this week and see if it will work better. Maybe the pump is not strong enough and more air will push that drop back.

Very similar to osmosis... sometimes it takes additional osmotic pressure to degas or of course, longer duration.

marinelife · Jan 9, 2017

I am reading all these thread but wanted to ask this, How does everyone keep their return pump from going crazy from the bubbles? mine goes nuts to the point I had to stop. I started again but have the airstone near a powerhead. Is that going to work or should I figure out how to make the return pump work. The return pump is a waveline DC pump.

Cruz_Arias · Jan 9, 2017

marinelife said:
I am reading all these thread but wanted to ask this, How does everyone keep their return pump from going crazy from the bubbles? mine goes nuts to the point I had to stop. I started again but have the airstone near a powerhead. Is that going to work or should I figure out how to make the return pump work. The return pump is a waveline DC pump.

Move the air stone further away from the return pump intake.

We place ours in the weir section before the return pump chamber.

Also, use an air line valve to control air volume.

Cruz_Arias · Jan 9, 2017

You'll also notice smaller bubbles being generated. Post a video if you can.

Cory · Jan 10, 2017

If you want to create nano bubbles, try putting a gyre at the surface of the water, and be amazed. I tried it and wow, bubbles to the max.

Cruz_Arias · Jan 10, 2017

Cory said:
If you want to create nano bubbles, try putting a gyre at the surface of the water, and be amazed. I tried it and wow, bubbles to the max.

Yes, but not controlled.

If you have great indoor air quality, it'll work, but you'd get a lot of large bubbles. Not what we're attempting to do here.

Micro-nano bubbles are what we are looking to generate.

Berlibee · Jan 10, 2017

And Oxydator will not do the same work?

Cruz_Arias · Jan 10, 2017

Berlibee said:
And Oxydator will not do the same work?

Raising oxygen levels is not just the only benefit...
There is a lot more to detritus removal using micro-nanobubbles (floatation separation) that Oxydator does not create.
Yes, they increase O2 levels and increase pH (based on Alkalinity Levels), however the physical attribute of desliming and water clarification is not captured by their method.

Berlibee · Jan 10, 2017

Ok I see. Thank you. I can't wait to try the new pump. I hope it will make a change.

Cruz_Arias · Jan 10, 2017

Berlibee said:
Ok I see. Thank you. I can't wait to try the new pump. I hope it will make a change.

http://www.en.bldynamics.com/html/bubbles.html

For your information and a little background on some "science" around this technology and terminology in the wastewater industry.

Berlibee · Jan 10, 2017

Super, I will take a look ! Thank you.

marinelife · Jan 10, 2017

I wish I could use the sump but my waveline pump has Anti run dry protection which happens when bubble enter the pump. I can put it near a Tunze Stream and get a nice push of bubbles across the tank. The air pump is not near a window as I do not have on close, its on top of a cabinet by the tank.

Cruz_Arias · Jan 10, 2017

marinelife said:
I wish I could use the sump but my waveline pump has Anti run dry protection which happens when bubble enter the pump. I can put it near a Tunze Stream and get a nice push of bubbles across the tank. The air pump is not near a window as I do not have on close, its on top of a cabinet by the tank.

If your pump is taking on too much air, the wooden diffuser to too close to the return pump intake.

Also, utilize an air line valve to control the amount of air delivered to the air stone.

Cruz_Arias · Jan 10, 2017

We place ours in the weir section prior to the return pump chamber.

Cruz_Arias · Jan 10, 2017

The bubbles should be very fine and not entrain in the pump at all... if it's sucking in too many bubbles, move the wooden air diffuser further away from the intake of the return pump.

Or, place it on the opposite side of the return pump intake and dial back the air volume by using an air line valve.