Micro Scrubbing Bubbles.

Greenstreet.1 · Mar 20, 2016

This thread have me thinking a lot lol.
Is to much sliming of sps a good are bad thing ?

carloriv · Mar 20, 2016

Interesting I'm from Puerto Rico and I never heard something like this but I'm very intrigued about the benefits everyone using this method are reporting, so I may trying for my self .Let the experiment begin!

Lowstorm · Mar 20, 2016

Too much of anything is bad. I think that's why people are running it less than 8 hours, most at 4-6. It be interesting to see what happens with 24/7 running, compared to thee shorter times, and a third tank with none. Would be best if they were plumbed together andbhad identical lights, feeding..

CoralNerd · Mar 20, 2016

The too much bubble thing: I ran mine 24/7 for days when I was getting rid of dinoflagellates and had zero problems.

Misenplace101 · Mar 20, 2016

I've been reading and researching for a few days not. I decided to take the plung, got it hookup. Everything slimed over and within an hour you can see all the slime being lifted off and carried away into the overflow.
Corals are happy with all the polyps extended. Toadstool is ticked off and a few Lps are agrivated. I ran it for 4 hours and seems the sps are brighter, then again that can just me having wishful thinking. So far I'm liking it and will continue for the next few days.
I'm running a whisper ap150 and Lee's wood air diffuser.

FlintTownReaper · Mar 21, 2016

Lowstorm said:
Too much of anything is bad. I think that's why people are running it less than 8 hours, most at 4-6. It be interesting to see what happens with 24/7 running, compared to thee shorter times, and a third tank with none. Would be best if they were plumbed together andbhad identical lights, feeding..

The less hours is more to reduce wear and tear on the pump as the bubbles add some resistance to the impeller as it has to chop thru the bubbles.

Jizu Puentes · Mar 21, 2016

I k own that a lot of sponges die if exposed to air so I'm wondering if all the microbubble entering their systems would have adverse effects. I'd really like to not kill all my cryptic sponges haha

riche · Mar 21, 2016

Now with all this slime being removed and other things being kicked up will the skimmer that you have on your tanks now be ok to collect all this extra stuff and if running filter socks would they need to be changed more often?

ermartin · Mar 21, 2016

Rather than running this 4-8hrs a day wouldn't it be more beneficial to the tank chemistry to run it say 10-20min every hour ?

The Macro Guy · Mar 21, 2016

Lowstorm said:
Too much of anything is bad. I think that's why people are running it less than 8 hours, most at 4-6. It be interesting to see what happens with 24/7 running, compared to thee shorter times, and a third tank with none. Would be best if they were plumbed together andbhad identical lights, feeding..

I have a friend I showed this too, and rather than put it on a timer, he left the thing on for a week straight and forgot about it lol, cleared up his cyano and diatoms by the time he noticed and turned , but it overflowed his skimmer reservoir under his tank. Didn't lose any corals or fish, he said everything look surprisingly good. He has since put it on a timer.

riche said:
Now with all this slime being removed and other things being kicked up will the skimmer that you have on your tanks now be ok to collect all this extra stuff and if running filter socks would they need to be changed more often?

You don't use a filter sock while microscrubbing. Defeats the purpose. Microscrubbing is mainly designed to help your skimmer do a better job at skimming out organics. If the organics float into your sock, they would just collect there and break down further.

Breakthecycle2 · Mar 21, 2016

So whats the everyone running the pumps at? Do you run it overnight for 8-10 hours for a week and then cut it down to 2-3 hours?

redwingrob40 · Mar 21, 2016

Breakthecycle2 said:
So whats the everyone running the pumps at? Do you run it overnight for 8-10 hours for a week and then cut it down to 2-3 hours?

Yes I believe that is what elegant coral revommends. That is exactly what I was planning on doing as well. So far it has definitely kept the ph a bit higher overnight. I can't say I really saw any sliming from my corals, but I have only done it for 2 nights.

JPergamo · Mar 21, 2016

Seems to be a trend with techniques that I have been learning about recently. O2 being the common denominator. Read the thread on dosing peroxide and now this as well... if the increased O2 is what benifits the system from the bubbles.

ermartin · Mar 21, 2016

Breakthecycle2 said:
So whats the everyone running the pumps at? Do you run it overnight for 8-10 hours for a week and then cut it down to 2-3 hours?

I ran mine 4 days 4 hrs a day now i have set it up on my controller and I am running it 10min every hour. so the equivalent of 4hrs a day

smaddox · Mar 21, 2016

I started this last night ran for 6.5 hrs didn't see ph drop as much last night water is much clearer today

fab · Mar 22, 2016

ReefLEDLights said:
This is what forums are supposed to do. Allow Informed Discussion...

I cannot say I'm a Harvard League Marine Biologist. But I am well read and would like to know the benefits.

To determine the benefits one has to do a closed regulated study...Even an engineer would agree...

By not doing so jumping to conclusions or following the latest fad does not tend well to your captive reef ecosystem...
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Bill

Even I agree, and I am an engineer! I think you nailed the important issues here.
fab

Redwingrob40,
I posted in a different thread on this same topic, similar thoughts to yours. See what you think on it:
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/micro-bubbling.220404/

Randy Holmes-Farley · Mar 22, 2016

JPergamo said:
Seems to be a trend with techniques that I have been learning about recently. O2 being the common denominator. Read the thread on dosing peroxide and now this as well... if the increased O2 is what benifits the system from the bubbles.

I'd be a bit surprised if there are benefits from raised O2 in most reef tanks that already have good oxygenation, and in some cases the O2 might even lower if it is supersaturated from photosynthesis.

Randy Holmes-Farley · Mar 22, 2016

ermartin said:
Rather than running this 4-8hrs a day wouldn't it be more beneficial to the tank chemistry to run it say 10-20min every hour ?

That may be correct, but I don't think we know what benefits to tank chemistry there might be, so to hypothesize the best timing for those benefits seems a stretch without some experimentation.

Randy Holmes-Farley · Mar 22, 2016

Jizu Puentes said:
I k own that a lot of sponges die if exposed to air so I'm wondering if all the microbubble entering their systems would have adverse effects. I'd really like to not kill all my cryptic sponges haha

That is a concern I have as well.

Randy Holmes-Farley · Mar 22, 2016

FlintTownReaper said:
The less hours is more to reduce wear and tear on the pump as the bubbles add some resistance to the impeller as it has to chop thru the bubbles.

Do bubbles in the water really provide more resistance to a pump relative to water only? Seems counterintuitive to me if it does. I'd expect the reverse.