Micro Scrubbing Bubbles.

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

That device is patented... I'm sorry. Not my design.

I was given one by the person who made it though... for that, I'm thankful.

If the device is patented, the detailed description of how it is made (or can be made, at least) must be available online from the patent office.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

If the device is patented, the detailed description of how it is made (or can be made, at least) must be available online from the patent office.

Yes, pending at the moment. I'll feel more confident to release when i get the filing hardcopied in my hand... lol I'm still an old school paper junkie for certs.

 

[Thales]

The device is patented. The device is patent pending. You bounce like this and it makes it difficult to trust you, and I really want to!

 

[Cruz_Arias]

There are different levels of understanding, but I think there are a great many people who basically understand how something like GFO works.

Not, perhaps, the majority of users, but there is also no dispute about how it does work. The people that do not know probably mostly do not care.

That said, GFO resellers are not all immune from making claims that are not true (like, the fact that it is irreversible).

It is, IMO, one of the disappointments of the hobby that so few companies really understand their products, or at least portray them in correct terms.

Agreed... many reactors use Oxygen as a binder... oxidation redox reactions. Correct?

The more reactors they add, in systems that have undersized skimmers or skimmers sucking in CO2 saturated air was the biggest issue noted during the winter and during the summers...

That's why we did say put the airpump in an area of FRESH AIR, not under the sump where CO2 and other gases are degassed from the overflow return... and exhaust for the skimmer...

 

[Cruz_Arias]

The device is patented. The device is patent pending. You bounce like this and it makes it difficult to trust you, and I really want to!

When you say something is filed, it's filed. What the lawyers do, i don't care much.

 

[Reefahholic]

Might be so ,but it's better than I'm getting

And I think for this application it's more than enough to get results

I'm not so sure the bubbles are too big. I will be building a new device and will post videos when I'm done.

When the water is milky white, I think the bubbles are smaller and the output is more. Not sure. When you look at this video, would you agree that there's way more bubbles and probably a lot smaller than the air stone method?

Randy....what do you think from a chemist point of view? I just don't know. It would appear the more white and cloudier- the smaller and more populated the bubbles are.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

When you say something is filed, it's filed. What the lawyers do, i don't care much.

3 designs, what do you want more. The designs?

 

[Cruz_Arias]

I'm not so sure the bubbles are too big. I will be building a new device and will post videos when I'm done.

When the water is milky white, I think the bubbles are smaller and the output is more. Not sure. When you look at this video, would you agree that there's way more bubbles and probably a lot smaller than the air stone method?

Randy....what do you think from a chemist point of view? I just don't know. It would appear the more white and cloudier- the smaller and more populated the bubbles are.

Good work though... keep the idea generator going!

 

[smaddox]

I had been fighting dynos for a while started the bubbles s few weeks ago dynos went away just to see what would happen I didn't turn the bubbles on for a week dynos were back in 3 days

 

[Thales]

When you say something is filed, it's filed. What the lawyers do, i don't care much.

But that isn't what you said. You did not say it was filed, you said it was patented.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

I see.

Their design, not mine!

Theirs is patented... look who made it.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

But that isn't what you said. You did not say it was filed, you said it was patented.

That design that's NOT MINE is patented.

3 others that are are pending.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

I am almost disappointed in this thread.
I read many pages and most all of it is hearsay

Hearsay when people practicing this are showing results?

Wasn't that how a lot of products came to be in this hobby? The ones that had continued success either stayed or was improved upon?

 

[Greenstreet.1]

Since you said it again I will ask again what are the results you are talking about besides the two that you posted that my skimmer already accomplish for me and please remember it's just a question from someone that's trying to learn

 

[cb684]

I was wondering also about something that I read that cyano may come first and than support dinos. So, may be controlling cyano have some impact on controlling some species of dinoflagellates.

Found it:
Heterotrophic dinoflagellates with symbiotic cyanobacteria and nitrogen limitation in the Gulf of Aqaba

 

[Squamosa]

I'm not so sure the bubbles are too big. I will be building a new device and will post videos when I'm done.

When the water is milky white, I think the bubbles are smaller and the output is more. Not sure. When you look at this video, would you agree that there's way more bubbles and probably a lot smaller than the air stone method?

Randy....what do you think from a chemist point of view? I just don't know. It would appear the more white and cloudier- the smaller and more populated the bubbles are.

I think the bubbles are just fine in size, maybe not nano (although there will probably be a small % that are) in size, but close

Keep up the good work and keep innovating

BTW,you need a physicist for the answers you seek, so please, don't look at me

Happy reefing

 

[Tautog]

With your water "milky white", it's super saturated. With the micro bubbles at that level, all solid waste or any thing else will attach to those bubbles due to such a large increase in surface area on those bubbles. Based on that note,from a Physics point of view, I would worry about the amount of time your saturating your stock. Having said that, I would believe this method would remove more waste faster. But, if your dosing stuff, aren't you removing all the important elements that your dosing to keep in? Short periods of bubbles makes sense, longer periods could be deadly to your stock! I'm I missing something?
Just as in your skimmer, the smaller the bubbles, the more surface area waste has to attach. Therefore, the more bubbles you produce, the more output or removal occurs.
Go to the ocean on very rough wave days, the foam that is produced is light brown full of organic matter.

 

[Cruz_Arias]

Since you said it again I will ask again what are the results you are talking about besides the two that you posted that my skimmer already accomplish for me and please remember it's just a question from someone that's trying to learn

Your skimmer does not remove detritus from the display tank.
Does not remove excess mucus and carry it to the sump...

 

[Squamosa]

removing all the important elements that your dosing to keep in

Valid point here and one I was thinking about too (as I don't do water changes). More answers are needed here!

longer periods could be deadly to your stock

I posted a MSc thesis that showed under high O2 saturation you get higher growth, in Atlantic halibut at least!

My personal observation after 62 days of bubbling is, that the fish are unaffected, in so far as showing any symptoms of gas bubble disease is concerned

 

[Cruz_Arias]

Your skimmer does not remove detritus from the display tank.
Does not remove excess mucus and carry it to the sump...

The DT becomes a settling area for undissolved detritus and undissolved organics... that's why it's necessary to go barebottom or vacuum the sandbed periodically.