microbe lift substrate cleaner?

[Superlightman]

Did someone used this? It sounds interesting on the paper. Is it safe?

 

[brandon429]

Something to consider:

anytime we add a mass to clear a mass we dont want in a sandbed we get double mass/target dieoff on top of prior detritus in the sand/ and fuel for trade off invasions down the line

nothing beats true export. Adding no mass, removing a target with animals that do export like diamond gobies or applying certain cleaning options by hand.

if you are experimenting or adding it preventatively thats harmless to try, but adding it to fix uglies or common reef invasions won’t beat our cleaning method that’s for sure. For tanks that lack export and have typical fish loads, that additive doesn’t remove spent waste from the sandbed only active fish or manual cleaning will do that-keep a sandbed from aging.

The product is not the breakpoint between a decent looking sandbed or not, it’s merely an experiment to see if a lucky outcome occurs. harmless to try.

 

[brandon429]

There have been very informative tests using it from our poster Taricha and it’s also a common additive in thread posts. I’m sure someone out there beat dinos with it, pretty common stuff but the product is not part of patterned threads used for tank fixes...it’s one off posts people make and see if they can attribute outcomes to the product.

for example there won’t be any tank fix jobs or invasions or setups where buying microbe lift will come to mind in my threads, it’s not a factor in my reefing. Every function the product offers can be had with fine coralline live rock (microbes) vs dry white rock, and a decent waste ejection vs storage design (nothing to ‘lift’).

 

[Superlightman]

Something to consider:

anytime we add a mass to clear a mass we dont want in a sandbed we get double mass/target dieoff on top of prior detritus in the sand/ and fuel for trade off invasions down the line

nothing beats true export. Adding no mass, removing a target with animals that do export like diamond gobies or applying certain cleaning options by hand.

if you are experimenting or adding it preventatively thats harmless to try, but adding it to fix uglies or common reef invasions won’t beat our cleaning method that’s for sure. For tanks that lack export and have typical fish loads, that additive doesn’t remove spent waste from the sandbed only active fish or manual cleaning will do that-keep a sandbed from aging.

The product is not the breakpoint between a decent looking sandbed or not, it’s merely an experiment to see if a lucky outcome occurs. harmless to try.

I not really have a problem with this I think ,and I have Gobi and snails, but as I have a phosphate problem actually ,I was thinking that maybe it could come also from the sand, but it would be more for preventing .but the review I wrote seems to say, it really cleans the dirty and remove the phosphates?

 

[brandon429]

No for sure it cannot eject waste. Sludge digesters use aerobic bacteria to eat and reduce waste into smaller particles that currents can help kick up into filtration but it’s very slow and at the expense of oxygen use and marked waste acid production...a requisite byproduct of aerobic sludge digestion.

hand cleaning will beat every known doser and I have a forty page thread handy showing repeated sandbed cleans, nobody has a forty page microbe lift results thread. It doesn’t do repeatable things for tanks, not sure if it’s good among sludge digesters either

but deep cleaning sure does do repeatable things, then adding back microfauna diversity from common live bug sources online-refugium starter kits then balancing the cleaning crew. Most would agree that arrangement is decent.

Phosphates in your sand as I read in this forum come from direct binding into sand and #2 is from waste detritus


cleaning your sand reduces the organic waste stores of phosphate via true export. Regarding the calcium carbonate release of bound up phosphate Im not sure what releases that/ Randy has covered the release mechanism but I’ve forgot

 

[Superlightman]

No for sure it cannot eject waste. Sludge digesters use aerobic bacteria to eat and reduce waste into smaller particles that currents can help kick up into filtration but it’s very slow and at the expense of oxygen use and marked waste acid production...a requisite byproduct of aerobic sludge digestion.

hand cleaning will beat every known doser and I have a forty page thread handy showing repeated sandbed cleans, nobody has a forty page microbe lift results thread. It doesn’t do repeatable things for tanks, not sure if it’s good among sludge digesters either

but deep cleaning sure does do repeatable things, then adding back microfauna diversity from common live bug sources online-refugium starter kits then balancing the cleaning crew. Most would agree that arrangement is decent.

Phosphates in your sand as I read in this forum come from direct binding into sand and #2 is from waste detritus


cleaning your sand reduces the organic waste stores of phosphate via true export. Regarding the calcium carbonate release of bound up phosphate Im not sure what releases that/ Randy has covered the release mechanism but I’ve forgot

What you lean with calcium carbinat release?

 

[brandon429]

Phosphates are said to bind into sand and rocks, calcium carbonate reserves in the tank. There is some mechanism by which its released later / not sure what aids that situation. Cleaning at least removes the portions of the phosphates where it’s part of common detritus and sludge to a small degree

 

[Superlightman]

Phosphates are said to bind into sand and rocks, calcium carbonate reserves in the tank. There is some mechanism by which its released later / not sure what aids that situation. Cleaning at least removes the portions of the phosphates where it’s part of common detritus and sludge to a small degree

Yes would be interresting to now hiw they release it