Millis vs acros?

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I had a milli befor and it rtn. So. My question is are millis hard to take care of compared to acros? People have told me they like clean water compared to acros is this right?
 
All acropora... acropora have subspecies. I am not sure who told you acropora don't like clean water but I would read up on the subjects you have questions about. Tons of info on it online.
 
Sorry. I don't know enough to answer your question but it does sound like a legitimate inquiry to me. I've seen a couple of threads where people had successful SPS tanks but could not keep Millis. I have both but no idea why some have issues with them. I'll bump this so someone will come along with a helpful response.
 
I think I get what you're trying to say and I think you've got it backwards? Out of all the acros Millie are supposed to be the easiest cause they like or can survive in water that is a little more nutrient rich is what I thought? Which would probably be why the legit sps guys with crazy clean sps tanks have trouble with that species. Again I'm no expert and I just woke up.

Edit this would also be why I've only ever tried millies as someone who enjoys lps and tends to feed a little more
 
Acropora is the family and millepora is the species. As with other species of acroporas some will be hardier than others. Usually the ones that are already aquacultured for some time have a proven record of being kept in aquariums and will likely be your best bet. Maricultured and wild may be harder to predict.
 
Sorry if my post sounded rude. Also one thing to think about is what the difference is in a dirty tank and a well fed clean tank. I think mostly all sps like a well fed clean tank. Some can aclimate to dirty water better than others and all will take time to do so. But not all acros will survive well in dirty tanks. I agree with cb684, and to add, where the acros come from in the wild also will tell you info on how you care for them. Aquaculture are fairly straightforward and can most likley do well in .ost situations given the right parameters.
 
Sorry. I don't know enough to answer your question but it does sound like a legitimate inquiry to me. I've seen a couple of threads where people had successful SPS tanks but could not keep Millis. I have both but no idea why some have issues with them. I'll bump this so someone will come along with a helpful response.
Sorry for that. Yes along the lines of what you have stated. But except for a couple people told me you need a super clean tank for that...
 
I just realized another important concept that needs to be defined, so we all are discussing the same thing: Clean vs dirty water.

The way I understand, as a general concept, cleanliness of the tank and water is always important, does not matter what you are keeping: fish, soft corals, LPS and SPS. Lack of cleanliness will lead to bacterial overgrowth, decreased oxygen content and thus lead to anaerobic bacteria bloom. That is bad and may kill your livestock.

The term clean/dirty water is often used to characterize a water with higher organics, NO3 and PO4 in reefing. Those are nutrients that all corals will use for growth and color. As most of activities reefing also go through phases, and apparently we are just coming from a Ultra Low Nutrient phase where it was believed that the less PO4 and NO3 the better to keep SPS. That is because a while ago it was very difficult to bring NO3 and PO4 down and for that reason the belief was that the lower the better and thus "zero" would be perfect. Well, that changed as most are realizing that having measurable concentrations of NO3 and PO4 is beneficial to SPS. There are even a few reports of thriving tanks with very high PO4...

The concept on the 2nd paragraph and 3rd are connected, and a high nutrient water may tip over and lead to what was described on the 2nd paragraph. Balance is the key.

With all that said I know of coral farmers that keep nutrients on the higher end and have extremely good results keeping SPS including Milleporas. Does that mean that all Milleporas like high nutrients? I would guess not. But, I would say that most SPS are able to aclimate to different situations if it is incremental and if most of the parameters (Temperature, pH, SG, Alk, Ca, NO3, PO4, Mg, light, etc...) are fairly stable.

CB
 
I just realized another important concept that needs to be defined, so we all are discussing the same thing: Clean vs dirty water.

The way I understand, as a general concept, cleanliness of the tank and water is always important, does not matter what you are keeping: fish, soft corals, LPS and SPS. Lack of cleanliness will lead to bacterial overgrowth, decreased oxygen content and thus lead to anaerobic bacteria bloom. That is bad and may kill your livestock.

The term clean/dirty water is often used to characterize a water with higher organics, NO3 and PO4 in reefing. Those are nutrients that all corals will use for growth and color. As most of activities reefing also go through phases, and apparently we are just coming from a Ultra Low Nutrient phase where it was believed that the less PO4 and NO3 the better to keep SPS. That is because a while ago it was very difficult to bring NO3 and PO4 down and for that reason the belief was that the lower the better and thus "zero" would be perfect. Well, that changed as most are realizing that having measurable concentrations of NO3 and PO4 is beneficial to SPS. There are even a few reports of thriving tanks with very high PO4...

The concept on the 2nd paragraph and 3rd are connected, and a high nutrient water may tip over and lead to what was described on the 2nd paragraph. Balance is the key.

With all that said I know of coral farmers that keep nutrients on the higher end and have extremely good results keeping SPS including Milleporas. Does that mean that all Milleporas like high nutrients? I would guess not. But, I would say that most SPS are able to aclimate to different situations if it is incremental and if most of the parameters (Temperature, pH, SG, Alk, Ca, NO3, PO4, Mg, light, etc...) are fairly stable.

CB
Yes to what you have said. All of that is true. I do alot of reading on reef 2 reef. My tank I've been at a 20ppm on no3 and about a .08 on po4 I'm still bringing my nitrates down. That's another story. my sps are happy tho and growing. I aim for redline theory... I just got into sps around thanks giving. I've stayed away from millis for the reason that people have told me the need clean tank close to zero... Which I don't beleave in zero and zero for no3 and po4
 
Yes to what you have said. All of that is true. I do alot of reading on reef 2 reef. My tank I've been at a 20ppm on no3 and about a .08 on po4 I'm still bringing my nitrates down. That's another story. my sps are happy tho and growing. I aim for redline theory... I just got into sps around thanks giving. I've stayed away from millis for the reason that people have told me the need clean tank close to zero... Which I don't beleave in zero and zero for no3 and po4
If you really like Millis (Which I do) one that would be easy to start with would be the ORA Rose Milli... That is in captivity for a long time and looks great (IMO).
 
From what im trying to make sence of. Millis care compared to every other acropora would contain heavy heavy amounts of flow- higher placement-inspection regularly because they seem to attract AEFW+redbugs, Noone can call the shots on what a milli needs unless they kno where its collected, nutrients at your level wouldnt cause a milli to start necrosis. 20 ppm nitrates and .08 ppm isnt that bad to even cause that to happen as millis are somewhat reluctant to higher then desired levels. Now if your talking about a maricultured milli, is a whole completely different ballgame. But if your having luck with other acros, i would give it some time before you add more.
 
Can def try to do that the Jason for inferno milli makes me wanna get those!!!
 
I'm milli lover and I keep my tank at the lowest levels that I can. Mine are wide open and fuzzy, loving life. Millis are one of the more forgiving corals out there unlike some other acros that need constant TLC. JME
 

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