Mixing Saltwater

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I started mixing saltwater my self I Have a ro/di unit and have been useing Instant ocean salt. My question is how long should i mix it for befor I put it in my tank. I have a plastic tote and a old pump that I will use to mix it. one my question how long will it stay cloudy?
 
I use brightwell salt but as far as I am concerned it is always good to mix over night and match temp and SG before adding. Cloudy should go away quickly depends on your pump you have mixing and how high your mixing for .
 
I have been using reef crystals the cloudiness seems to go away fairly quickly, really haven't timed it will have to see when I make my next batch which will probably be tomorrow. I would mix it at least overnight, I actually have been keeping mixed saltwater on hand in case of needing to make an unexpected wc. I mix up 15g at a time every two weeks in a brute container and let a pump run to keep it circulating. Also have a heater to match temp which right now not having to use. Before doing my wc I double check my sg to make sure that it matches the water in my tank.
 
The salt is good to use soon as its clear and all looks disolved andi of course salinity is correct. I mix my salt (red sea) right before I use it maybe 30-hour min mix time. I've used IO and Reef Crystals in same way without any problems.

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I started mixing saltwater my self I Have a ro/di unit and have been useing Instant ocean salt. My question is how long should i mix it for befor I put it in my tank. I have a plastic tote and a old pump that I will use to mix it. one my question how long will it stay cloudy?

If you're mixing your saltwater aggressively* and only concern yourself with matching salinity** and are doing average sized water changes, your water can be ready within 10 to 20 minutes. I do it this way with Reef Crystals and Instant Ocean very frequently on many different systems. (Other salts really shouldn't be any different.)

Also, I start with room temperature (70º or so) RO/DI water and have never concerned myself with temperature matching. If you're working with significantly lower (or higher) temperatures in your house and/or RO/DI water, then some action may be warranted here. I think I'd pre-heat the RO water, if it were necessary - or better, move the reservoir to a more moderate location. Howerver, it should be pretty unusual for temp. matching to be a requirement. In fact, calcium precipitates out easier in warmer water - often directly onto the heater - so there are actually some good reasons to not bother with temperature matching in your mix container if you don't have to.

-Matt

* This means that no salt is gathering at the bottom of your mixing container at any time. If salt has a chance to settle, I'd say to get a better mixing setup. Rearrange your pump, get a different shaped reservoir - whatever. (PM me if you need some specific advice.) At minimum, make sure there are NO salt crystals still in the water/on the bottom when you're adding it to the tank.

** Exact matching of salinity is nice, and certainly not hard to obtain, so shoot for exact. A refractometer is highly recommended for quick and accurate readings. Having said that, with experience I've found that as long as you're within a point or two of the water in the tank, it will have no impact on the inhabitants. In fact, a briefly lowered salinity would correspond well with a rain storm on the ocean - nothing unusual for most of the creatures we're likely to keep. If my new water has low salinity by less than two points, I usually take out a little less tank water than I'll be replacing and vis versa if my new water's salinity is a little high. Evaporation or the ATO will make up the difference. If my makeup water is off by more than a couple points either way I'll make a correction to the new water. Likewise, if my tank water's salinity is "off" from ideal (e.g. due to dosing), I'll use the same mechanism to make a salinity correction.
 
I run a heater in my mixing can and use it as soon as it matches temperature. I use ESV so don't have to worry about cloudiness or salinity with all parts measured and added separately. Usually use it within a half hour after mixing it so dissolved oxygen could be low but I've never seen a reason to worry about it.
 
Thanks for the the info. I have been leting it mix for about 13hr now and it is still cloudy and some has settled. I dont have another heater but the temp is 74. I dont know if it is a bad salt. or if it the temp.
 
hmmm maybe bad salt...also make sure its not micro bubbles you are seeing...the settling salt makes me think this is not the case however. then again good be precipitates. What is the specific gravity? Maybe there is too much salt added.
 
Maybe someone will have an idea, possibly could be a batch of bad salt :confused: The cloudiness in my water clears up fairly quickly. Maybe not enough aggitation? Also I know that when I am adding my salt to my water for mixing I put in about two cups at a time, wonder if how the salt is added to the water might make a difference. Just some thoughts, hopefully someone doing this much longer will have some insight.
 
I had the same problem with instant ocean, I was always getting what seemed to be bad salt. My last batch was just terrible so I switched to Reef Crystal, still Instant Ocean though. Seems a lot better, no cloudyness at all! Also, the bags of salt seemed worse than buckets for me. Maybe too much settling in the bag? I'm not sure. Sounds like bad salt to me though. If you have corals and/or snails, it might be worth it to switch to their Reef Crystals (higher Calcium content and other thing too). The snails are showing amazingly fast growth and the coral and coraline as well.
 
It got to a point where I felt safe to use. It was a little cloudy in the tank but in is clear now. Can I just swich to reef cryatals? or do i need to do a big WC when I do. I am just about out of salt so when I get a new bag I will get Reef Crystals.
 
I just switched them. Just make extra sure it takes the same amount of salt to make your salinity correct. It's different for me with Reef Crystals verses there regular kind for whatever reason. I made a batch and the salinity was too high with the Reef Crystals. It could have been that I used my first batch of RO/DI water as well. Maybe both the RO/DI water and new kind of salt contributed to the high salinity for me, but keep an eye on it so you don't raise your tank salinity too high.
 
Mix any salt for a minimum of 24 Hrs preferebly 48, my mixing pump is 5000gl per hr and disolves it almost within 15 minutes for 40 gal batch,the problem is even if it looks clear it is not. They have found it contains minute crystals that harm sps shutting out from the pump at a high velocity.
 
There is a big difference between evaporative salts and synthetic salts in this respect. I use a mix of Red Sea Pro (evaporative) and Salinity (synthetic). I like them both, but the RSP mixes so much quicker. Even so, if its taking 13 hours, somethings off. A couple of things I've learned the hard way that might explain what your seeing:

Always add your salt to a full volume of water, never the other way around. If you try to mix too much salt for the volume of water (over salting) and then try diluting it may begin to precipitate and then will remain cloudy indefinitely. You *may* get the precipitates to re-dissolve, but likely they will settle in the container coating everything with a white chalk. This also happens if you try and use salt that has gotten damp and has clumped.
 
I dont know if it is a bad salt. or if it the temp.

Not temp.

I did go through a few buckets of Tropic Marin Pro Reef that would never mix to clear a few/couple years ago. Not seen that before or since. As long as the water was agitated it stayed milky. Whatever it was would settle to the bottom if allowed. The buckets had to be returned.

-Matt
 
What Robert stated above is real important and I wanted to “+1” what he said:

Start with your full volume of water and then add the salt.

In addition, add the salt like your sprinkling salt on a batch of popcorn. By just dumping the salt into the water, you could create micro-environments of high alk/calc, which will precipitate.

The stronger the agitation, the less likely you’ll get precipitation.

Let the water mix a minimum of overnight.

Match temperature and SG, and then you’re good to go.
 

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