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I believe they didn't say either way about the oil.
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I believe they didn't say either way about the oil.
SeahorseKeeper
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For clove oil, they stated there was not enough research to confirm either way. Personally, I am not a fan of alkaseltzer or using baking soda. The fish will begin to flail around and try to jump out of the container. It can take a few minutes or longer to take affect. This method is pretty much suffocating the fish. Clove oil is like using a strong sedative.
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I'm sorry to have cluttered this thread with my comment about pharmaceutical companies, it was not my intention. I just read over the AVMA report that was used as a reference for the article linked in this thread. If you read the section on "fin fish" in the article the method you used is completely acceptable. I know the loss of a fish is a tough thing especially one with a personality as big as a BSJF, but know that you did the most humane thing possible for your fish. Again I am very sorry for cluttering this thread.
I can't see how freezing would be a painful death. We use hypothermia on humans more frequently after serious problems to help preserve brain function actually. True freezing and hypothermia are two different things, but the person/fish is unaware what is going on. We use medication as well to sedate the patient when doing hypothermia.
Carbon dioxide can be used to euthanize fish. Alka Seltzer is a popular source for carbon dioxide to be released in water. This method may seem innocuous enough but most people who have used this method say that their fish thrashed around a little bit just as if the fish were out of water (here is one person's story). You may need to decapitate or freeze the fish afterwards to ensure death. The AVMA supports this method and many universities advocate using this method as well (see the University of Washington's Policy for Euthanasia for Fish Species). Dr. Craig Harms (http://www.petplace.com/fish/euthanasia-in-fish/page1.aspx) describes this method; 8 tablets of Alka Seltzer is required per gallon of water.
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The fish suffers from frost bite (which to me hurts like he$$) before hypothermia sets in.
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Squishie89
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Could it depend on how cold your freezer is? Obviously it is not flash freezing with dry ice or liquid nitrogen, but I have noticed water freezes pretty quickly in my freezer and I wonder if that helps speed up the process? (I am truly just asking and inquiring, not trying to start anything.)
Hypothermia is the lowering of the bodies core temp over a long period. The skin is protected from frost bite.
A fish left in the freezer to die suffers from frost bite. It's body fluids freeze and burst. Frost bite hurts like heck! To me anyways.
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Exactly! The colder the temp the faster the liquid freezes. It is the liquid in the fish that freezes first. It's called frost bite. Then after all the liquid freezes, (which has to hurt ya think) it dies.
I don't think anyones trying to start anything at all. This is a great subject that many of use are interested in. I for one hate to see anything suffer. Watching one of my fish suffer is unbearable. So I've done a lot of research
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Connie
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Yes feh; I had all his needs met in the HT. I had a large bowl of sand with empty shells for him to burrow in. The temp was 73. The only need that wasn't met in the DT was temp which was 77. He was very happy and healthy in the DT. I am now thinking something attacked him.
Kschweer - No need to apologize. I made this thread for discussing and learning for everyone.
Kschweer - No need to apologize. I made this thread for discussing and learning for everyone.
Squishie89
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What is the dosage for using Clove Oil to either sedate or kill?
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Thank you so much, Connie.
Arianna7
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Please tell me what to do my fresh water boy jack Dempsey dying suffering a lot I decided I need to end his life as soon as possible how did you do it just no clove oil it's will take 3-5 days if I orderExactly! The colder the temp the faster the liquid freezes. It is the liquid in the fish that freezes first. It's called frost bite. Then after all the liquid freezes, (which has to hurt ya think) it dies.
I don't think anyones trying to start anything at all. This is a great subject that many of use are interested in. I for one hate to see anything suffer. Watching one of my fish suffer is unbearable. So I've done a lot of research
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In cold temperature, nothing will work, including the nerve. We will never now but it is unlikely that the brain will receive any pain stimulation to it. The brain cells will not work either, so the organism get sedated as it get colder. For this reason, I believe freezing is a humane way to euthanize fish. Many people who have a near death experience from hypothermia reported of peaceful content sensation as they passed out.
Hugh Mann
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Can confirm that last bit. I knew I was dying, but didn't really care. Was kinda nice at the time, but solid 0/10 would not do again.
Freezing and clove oil seem to be the common methods. Depending on how squeamish you are, cervical dislocation as someone suggested previously. Cut or break the spine. Might be difficult to do without anesthetizeing first.
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When I had freshwater years ago, freezing was the preferred method. That said, I'd prefer is @Jay Hemdal chimes in to verify.
Arianna7
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HI MY FISH IS FRESH WATER JACK DEMPSEY ARE DYING HE IS NOT TREATABLE HE IS BLIND LAYING ON THE SITE I WAS MOT GONNA DO THAT TO MY BABY BUT I CANT SLEEP KNOWING HE IS SUFFERING SO MUCH HE LIVES WITH MOM SHE SAID NO BUT TODAY SHE CANT WATCH HIM SUFFER SO MUCH SHE SAID I WILL DO IT
I WANT DO ALKASET BECAUSE IF I ORDER CLOVE OIL ITS WILL COME 3-5 DAYS LATER OR MORE AND I KNOW FISH CAN WAKE UP FROM THAT PLEASE I NEED THE RIGHT INSTRUCTION BECAUSE ONLINE I DON'T TRUST IT PLEASE GUYS HELP MY FISH I NEED TO END HIS LIFE is this the right medecine???
I WANT DO ALKASET BECAUSE IF I ORDER CLOVE OIL ITS WILL COME 3-5 DAYS LATER OR MORE AND I KNOW FISH CAN WAKE UP FROM THAT PLEASE I NEED THE RIGHT INSTRUCTION BECAUSE ONLINE I DON'T TRUST IT PLEASE GUYS HELP MY FISH I NEED TO END HIS LIFE is this the right medecine???
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terraincognita
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So sorry to hear.
As much as I love my fish and my reef tank. Me and my brother also own a sushi restaurant.
If I ever euthanize I do it the good old Japanese way with Decap. Probably not as humane? But been doing it since I was a teen.
Probably more humane would be clove oil then that. I'll have to get some.
As much as I love my fish and my reef tank. Me and my brother also own a sushi restaurant.
If I ever euthanize I do it the good old Japanese way with Decap. Probably not as humane? But been doing it since I was a teen.
Probably more humane would be clove oil then that. I'll have to get some.
