MP40s or ReefWaves?

gideon2086 · Mar 5, 2020

Need pumps for a new build. I can pickup the new ReefWaves tomorrow from my LFS. Which would YOU get!?

ndrwater · Mar 5, 2020

Is $$ an deciding factor?? If no, MP's all day, all night

gideon2086 · Mar 5, 2020

ndrwater said:
Is $$ an deciding factor?? If no, MP's all day, all night

It’s not. MPs over the new ReefWaves? Is there a specific reason why?

ndrwater · Mar 5, 2020

They work
They last
Upgradable
AWESOME customer support
Longevity known and factored
Resale high..

Should I continue??

AJsReef · Mar 5, 2020

Track record of Vortechs speaks for itself. Gyres and subsequent copies of the platform have had a riddled history of failures and defects.

gideon2086 · Mar 5, 2020

Gah! I’ve been waiting for the waves because so many have said that gyres offer superior flow.

ndrwater · Mar 5, 2020

Gyres work well, but... Require MUCH more maintenance than any MP ever made

Joel Franco · Mar 5, 2020

gideon2086 · Mar 6, 2020

I suppose I will be picking up a pair of MP40’s after work today.

NanoDJS · Mar 6, 2020

I'm personally waiting for the waves

Miller535 · Mar 6, 2020

ndrwater said:
Gyres work well, but... Require MUCH more maintenance than any MP ever made

For sure. Have an extra wet side and you only need to turn it off long enough to swap them. Opposed to dismantling the gyre constantly to keep it running.

gideon2086 · Mar 6, 2020

Miller535 said:
For sure. Have an extra wet side and you only need to turn it off long enough to swap them. Opposed to dismantling the gyre constantly to keep it running.

I mean the instructions say do to it every 6 months

Miller535 · Mar 6, 2020

gideon2086 said:
I mean the instructions say do to it every 6 months

Talk to just about anyone who has a gyre. They'll tell you within 2 or 3 weeks the flow starts slowing down if not taken apart and cleaned. BRS even had a video about that

rhastareefer · Mar 6, 2020

ndrwater said:
They last
Longevity known and factored
Resale high..

Should I continue??

Last MP-10 wet side I bought from BRS lasted about a month before the impeller shaft snapped at the base. Hadn't even been out of the tank yet lol

gideon2086 · Mar 6, 2020

rhastareefer said:
Last MP-10 wet side I bought from BRS lasted about a month before the impeller shaft snapped at the base. Hadn't even been out of the tank yet lol

Oof

Sortega · Apr 9, 2020

rhastareefer said:
Last MP-10 wet side I bought from BRS lasted about a month before the impeller shaft snapped at the base. Hadn't even been out of the tank yet lol

I have had the same experience with the MP10s. I have gone through 4 wetsides in 6 months. To the credit of ecotech, I have constantly gotten great support from their help line. However, the MP10 wetsides just don't last. The pump is amazing when it works! Love the flow, love the programming, the clean look of no wires in the tank, I just can't get them to last. I have walked through my setup with their customer service to ensure that I am cleaning them properly and doing the correct break in. Every time the conclusion has been the same, "The product was defect and they would send me a new wetside".

The ceramic shaft is super flimsy! Once that goes the pump is useless (you will know because the pump will start to vibrate on the glass). I personally have not found a way to successfully repair the ceramic shaft (believe me I have tried).

I have no experience with the MP40s. I have heard that these are built better and the ceramic shaft is much thicker and less likely to break. But for the MP10s, the ceramic shaft is the weak point.

I personally have just ordered a ReefWave 25 to replace my two MP10s in my Red Sea Reefer 170. Just thought that I would throw in my $0.02 as I myself have been trying to scour these forums looking to see if anybody has shared my same experience. Looks like I am not alone with the MP10 experience.

Chefwheredyougo · Apr 9, 2020

Can't speak on all gyres, but I've had my icecap 3k for about 9 months or so, and have only cleaned it once. Never had an issue with it

Mjl714 · Aug 23, 2020

Sortega said:
I have had the same experience with the MP10s. I have gone through 4 wetsides in 6 months. To the credit of ecotech, I have constantly gotten great support from their help line. However, the MP10 wetsides just don't last. The pump is amazing when it works! Love the flow, love the programming, the clean look of no wires in the tank, I just can't get them to last. I have walked through my setup with their customer service to ensure that I am cleaning them properly and doing the correct break in. Every time the conclusion has been the same, "The product was defect and they would send me a new wetside".

The ceramic shaft is super flimsy! Once that goes the pump is useless (you will know because the pump will start to vibrate on the glass). I personally have not found a way to successfully repair the ceramic shaft (believe me I have tried).

I have no experience with the MP40s. I have heard that these are built better and the ceramic shaft is much thicker and less likely to break. But for the MP10s, the ceramic shaft is the weak point.

I personally have just ordered a ReefWave 25 to replace my two MP10s in my Red Sea Reefer 170. Just thought that I would throw in my $0.02 as I myself have been trying to scour these forums looking to see if anybody has shared my same experience. Looks like I am not alone with the MP10 experience.

This is my experience as well, the ceramic shaft is the weak point. Anyone ever tried running a wetside without the ceramic shaft?

Mjl714 · Oct 25, 2020

As far as fixing / replacing the MP-10 ceramic shaft, I have found that shrink wrap works very well. See @Jonreefer
Broken shaft on an MP10..fix it for pennies.

Sortega · Oct 25, 2020

Mjl714 said:
As far as fixing / replacing the MP-10 ceramic shaft, I have found that shrink wrap works very well. See @Jonreefer
Broken shaft on an MP10..fix it for pennies.

Thank you for sharing this! I definitely have to try this out