Muad'dib and sea life

[cee]

OK, a very bizarre reference, but consider this...

I really find symbiosis on the reef to be fascinating. Another option to the toxic flower urchin I'm considering is Periclimenes imperator and Holothuria edulis. I can't find anywhere that states these 2 are symbiotic but I suspect they might be. Do you think there is any possibility that Frank Herbert had any notion of this relationship and might have used it as an analogy in his Fremen/Muad'dib riding of the sandworms in Dune? I just find it a bit coincidental...

If this title didn't get your attention I honestly give up LOL. Thoughts?

Dave

 

[Rob.D]

I have no clue what your talking about

 

[cee]

You've really got to be a Dune fan to get this one. Try Emperor shrimp.

 

[Jmcdaniel0]

you lost me..... not hard to do, but still.....

 

[Rob.D]

Are either of those readily available? I love the look of emporor shrimp but sea slugs are gross looking.....

 

[nervousmonkey]

OK, a very bizarre reference, but consider this...

I really find symbiosis on the reef to be fascinating. Another option to the toxic flower urchin I'm considering is Periclimenes imperator and Holothuria edulis. I can't find anywhere that states these 2 are symbiotic but I suspect they might be. Do you think there is any possibility that Frank Herbert had any notion of this relationship and might have used it as an analogy in his Fremen/Muad'dib riding of the sandworms in Dune? I just find it a bit coincidental...

If this title didn't get your attention I honestly give up LOL. Thoughts?

Dave

Interesting idea Dave! I'm a huge Dune fan and have read all of the books, but I don't think that Frank Herbert thought specifically of a reef system in terms of the symbiotic relationship that he used with sandworms and the spice, since there are so many other symbiotic relationships in the natural world. He was pretty good at understanding ecology and tried to make the Dune series a pretty good write-up of general ecology and the relationships that the natural world has, but I don't think he was referencing reef systems...

 

[cee]

Are either of those readily available? I love the look of emporor shrimp but sea slugs are gross looking.....

They are available occasionally.

 

[CastAway]

"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion..."

Love it.

 

[cee]

Interesting idea Dave! I'm a huge Dune fan and have read all of the books, but I don't think that Frank Herbert thought specifically of a reef system in terms of the symbiotic relationship that he used with sandworms and the spice, since there are so many other symbiotic relationships in the natural world. He was pretty good at understanding ecology and tried to make the Dune series a pretty good write-up of general ecology and the relationships that the natural world has, but I don't think he was referencing reef systems...

So curious what you think the analogy of the Fremen riding the sandworms was in the natural world? I suspect Herbert was aware of symbiotic relationships in reef environments and cannot think of an analogy as fitting as the shrimp riding the cucs or medusa worms.

Dave

 

[nervousmonkey]

So curious what you think the analogy of the Fremen riding the sandworms was in the natural world? I suspect Herbert was aware of symbiotic relationships in reef environments and cannot think of an analogy as fitting as the shrimp riding the cucs or medusa worms.

Dave

Good point Dave. I'm not sure what I think of the Fremen riding the worms. The series is quite fictional after all and I don't ascribe the Fremen riding worms to reef ecology, but the analogy is there, you are quite right about that. My overall opinion is that Herbert was trying to give us his ecological ideology on systems and their relationship to one another, rather than any one system,but I also can't deny that the analogy is there. With that being said, there are still too many other analogous ecological examples out there for me to determine whether Herbert was using reef systems specifically. Great point though Dave. I never thought about that before. Now it does make me think...

 

[Tenaculum]

I believe writers are always incorporating nature into the roles and settings they create. Mother Nature 100% of the time is so much more creative than we can be. Every time I watch avatar, I see where our beloved corals has to have helped inspire the world of Pandora. As for dune, I haven't seen it recently and I thought it was rather strange compared to some of the other sci fi I enjoy. I do, however think there was lots of inspiration coming from our ecosystem as well as maybe some more extracurricular plant items... lol