My Current QT Process

[nbd13]

I doubt it was the copper itself. Any other symptoms? Have you fed them either GC or metro soaked food?

I’ve been feeding frozen food soaked in GC and focus per the protocol.

No other symptoms. He was fine 2 days ago. Yesterday didn’t eat and was breathing a little fast. Now I’m worried as I see one of the other borbonius breathing a little heavy. I could be paranoid now too though.

It was going so well too.

 

[HotRocks]

Sorry for your loss.

I worry about Uronema with anthias. It's very prevalent right now. Often times it's internal and the fish won't display external symptoms, the only way it can be seen is to cut the fish open post mortem.

It might be a good idea to food soak some metro and feed that for 10-14 days.

 

[nbd13]

Sorry for your loss.

I worry about Uronema with anthias. It's very prevalent right now. Often times it's internal and the fish won't display external symptoms, the only way it can be seen is to cut the fish open post mortem.

It might be a good idea to food soak some metro and feed that for 10-14 days.

Thanks.

How much metro do I put in the food? A scoop that comes with focus?

Doesn’t GC contain metro? So shouldn’t that cover internal uronema?

Should I do anything else? I was going to transfer the other fish tomorrow and treat with GC per the protocol.

Thanks

 

[HotRocks]

Thanks.

How much metro do I put in the food? A scoop that comes with focus?

Should I do anything else? I was going to transfer the other fish tomorrow and treat with GC per the protocol.

Thanks

You can still transfer them if you'd like and use the GC in the water, as well as feeding them metro.

It might also be wise to treat water column with metro in between the GC doses as well in case it is Uronema.

Day 1 GC
Days 3, 5 metro
Day 7 GC
Days 9, 11 metro

Yes the dosage is the same for food. 1 scoop metro + 1 scoop focus per tablespoon of prepared food.

Copper is an immunosuppressant so these are the types of things that start showing up (which is also why I prefer getting fish out of copper ASAP). You fix one problem and have to deal with another.

 

[nbd13]

You can still transfer them if you'd like and use the GC in the water, as well as feeding them metro.

It might also be wise to treat water column with metro in between the GC doses as well in case it is Uronema.

Day 1 GC
Days 3, 5 metro
Day 7 GC
Days 9, 11 metro

Yes the dosage is the same for food. 1 scoop metro + 1 scoop focus per tablespoon of prepared food.

Copper is an immunosuppressant so these are the types of things that start showing up (which is also why I prefer getting fish out of copper ASAP). You fix one problem and have to deal with another.

Thanks! Do I need to do water changes between dosages? Or no?

Should I do anything in the meantime to prevent another death?

 

[HotRocks]

Thanks! Do I need to do water changes between dosages? Or no?

Should I do anything in the meantime to prevent another death?

I would do a 25% WC right before the second dose of GC, yes.

There isn't much else you can do other than start the metro ASAP.

 

[nbd13]

I would do a 25% WC right before the second dose of GC, yes.

There isn't much else you can do other than start the metro ASAP.

Ok thanks. You mean the metro soaked food right?

 

[nbd13]

Well both other borbonius anthias aren’t eating now .

Both are breathing heavy too.

 

[HotRocks]

Well both other borbonius anthias aren’t eating now .

Both are breathing heavy too.

I would go ahead and transfer them now. 10 days is enough time in copper the extra 4 days is insurance.

Start metro both in water and food.

 

[nbd13]

I would go ahead and transfer them now. 10 days is enough time in copper the extra 4 days is insurance.

Start metro both in water and food.

Ok I have water mixing now and sponges soaking in Fritz turbo start now.

I’ll dose metro into the water column as soon as temp and salinity match up.

Fingers crossed I don’t loose anymore. My son (3) was already upset enough when he found the dead one on his daily morning run to the fish tank.

 

[HotRocks]

Ok I have water mixing now and sponges soaking in Fritz turbo start now.

I’ll dose metro into the water column as soon as temp and salinity match up.

Fingers crossed I don’t loose anymore. My son (3) was already upset enough when he found the dead one on his daily morning run to the fish tank.

I get it my kids are 3 and 4. Same scenario here.

 

[ReefSlice]

Is there anything wrong with keeping the 2 separate qts running indefinitely or do you sterilize both tanks every round? Would be much easier for me to just have one copper tank and one transfer/observation tank running constantly. I would lower the copper in the first tank to 1.0 before adding anything new obviously.

 

[nbd13]

I get it my kids are 3 and 4. Same scenario here.

Thanks for the help. The other two borbonius look pale almost too. Breathing fast and no interest in food. Literally yesterday they were attacking the food now nothing today.

No clue. Frustrating for sure as I thought quarantine was going well.

Now I’m worried I’m going to loose all 3. Expensive mistake.

 

[nbd13]

Well...lost another one.

Got the 2 clowns and 1 borbonius left transferred to the new tank. Put a dose of metro in the tank so we will see.

No idea why still.

 

[Jason Roth]

In the QT when you cycle do you add a shrimp from the grocery store with the bacteria like cycling the DT or just use the bacteria like Dr Tim’s? I just setup my QT and want to start cycling it

 

[HotRocks]

In the QT when you cycle do you add a shrimp from the grocery store with the bacteria like cycling the DT or just use the bacteria like Dr Tim’s? I just setup my QT and want to start cycling it

I just use biospira, Dr tims hasn't been able to process ammonia for me lately.

 

[wesman42]

I just use biospira, Dr tims hasn't been able to process ammonia for me lately.

Sorry to be blunt but Dr Tim's is garbo in comparison to Fritz. Takes 3x as long to see any effect.

 

[puffy127]

Sorry to be blunt but Dr Tim's is garbo in comparison to Fritz. Takes 3x as long to see any effect.

I've had much success with biospira. It works much faster and it's much cheaper than Dr tims as well.

 

[Jason Roth]

I just use biospira, Dr tims hasn't been able to process ammonia for me lately.

I just use biospira, Dr tims hasn't been able to process ammonia for me lately.

Ok. I also have microbacter7 and Red Sea starter kit. Would you recommend either of those or still go by the biospira ? And with that you don’t use a shrimp?

 

[aruns]

Hi, After setting up a QT tank (20L) as described by @HotRocks in OP, I got a pair of clowns and a Royal Gramma from my LFS (where they had the fish in copper). The clown fish are very active, but the Gramma, who was actively swimming in the LFS tank has been laying on his side in a corner of the tank since he got in. He swims around a bit once in a while but goes back to his corner and lays on his side. Doesn't seem to be breathing heavily. No other symptoms on his body, looks clean. The trip home only took 20 mins, so I drip acclimatized the fish (the 3 fish were in 3 different systems at LFS at totally different salinity)

Also, unfortunately, my CP shipment got delayed until Friday and I can't source it locally, so I can't start the QT with CP and GC+focus in food.

Questions:
1. Can I reverse the sequence and start dosing GC in the water column for first 14 days, followed by copper and GC+focus in food? I was also thinking of doing a FW dip before I start this.
2. Are Grammas susceptible to anything in particular? I have read Grammas can be very shy, but he's not trying to hide in the pvc fittings I have.