My Cyano Saga

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A couple of months ago my tank was hit hard by a cyano outbreak. I've researched cyano and tried to naturally solve the problem without having to use chemicals by trying to find the cause of the outbreak, but have not had any success. I thought I'd reach out and see if anyone had any ideas before I give in and use chemi-clean.

The tank is 150g mixed reef with dry rock that has been running since April 2021. The outbreak started out of no where in late November and I immediately tested the tank parameters.
Specific gravity- 1.026
calcium- 450ppm
alk- 8dkh
mag-1280ppm
nitrate- 0ppm
phosphate- 0ppm

Prior to the outbreak I had struggled to keep my nitrates and phosphates up to a detectable level but they had bottomed out when the outbreak occurred. I had originally believed that cyano came from high nitrates and phosphates but after some research learned that low nutrient levels could also cause an outbreak because of a bacteria imbalance. I immediately tried feeding the tank more, skimming less and shortening my refugium photoperiod. I also increased my bioload by adding a couple of fish along with adding microbacter for several weeks and continually siphoning the sand(the cyano only seems to grow on the sand, never on the rock).

By the end of December the cyano still hadn't improved. I was able to raise my nitrates up to 10ppm and my phosphates up to .08ppm but it didn't seem that that was the problem. Thinking that it still might be a lack of beneficial bacteria, I added some miracle mud and live sand activator from IPSF. I also added a few a "cyano eating" conchs and sea cucumber all to no avail. To cross every T and dot every I, I also replaced all the filters in my seven stage RO/DI unit a couple of weeks ago. The last thing that I can think of is changing out all of my T5 bulbs. I don't know if old T5 lamps have any affect on cyano but I know that it can influence algae growth.

I really don't know what else it can be, everything else in my tank is doing really well. I don't have any algae problems and my LPS and SPS are all doing great. Any new suggestions would be great. Thanks in advance.
 
It sounds like you’re doing everything possible, all the stuff I can think of at least… maybe just more time/patience ‍‍(shrug)
 
0 nitrates and phosphate is bad and will cause multiple problems in your tank. You need nitrates at 10 and phosphate around. 08. Cut your light duration back to 8 hours with blue and UV, no whites but monitor SPS closely. Siphon what you can. PNS probio really helped with my algae problems. I dose it twice a week. Really cleaned up my sand and overall tank condition.
 
It sounds like you’re doing everything possible, all the stuff I can think of at least… maybe just more time/patience ‍‍(shrug)
Yeah...changes don't happen quickly in this hobby. I just haven't really seen a tip in the scale yet letting me know whether or not I'm on the right path.
 
0 nitrates and phosphate is bad and will cause multiple problems in your tank. You need nitrates at 10 and phosphate around. 08. Cut your light duration back to 8 hours with blue and UV, no whites but monitor SPS closely. Siphon what you can. PNS probio really helped with my algae problems. I dose it twice a week. Really cleaned up my sand and overall tank condition.
The nutrient levels have been raised but maybe I'll try changing the spectrum. I'll look into probio
 
IMO and IME you should just dose Chemiclean. Never known increasing nutrients to help, but too low can cause other issues, so it's not bad to raise them as you did.

I'm far from an expert on the topic, and only have my own experiences and research to rely on. But when it comes to imbalances in things like that, I just don't see how you are going to get a bacteria or whatever balance is needed while at the same time having such a high population. What I've seen from bacteria in my limited research is that the dominate strain is going to stay dominate until something comes along and out competes it. But what is going to form naturally in a tank where it's already dominating? Not going to say it's impossible, but it doesn't happen in my experience. Even with 0 readings, there is still nutrients present, they are just getting used it up immediately.

So my philosophy is I will try to let the tank balance itself out if I see only a tiny bit of cyano. Maybe a little in a corner of lower flow, or something like that. But if it gets worse and worse, and especially if it ever gets so thick it will cover a coral, I dose.

Kill it off and then let the other things eat that food that will then be able to out compete. Very rare for me that cyano ever comes back. Years in some tanks and never had it come back. Only if an event happens have I had it come back.
 
The nutrient levels have been raised but maybe I'll try changing the spectrum. I'll look into probio
For me, I thought my lighting was wrong too...at first. That just made things worse because the corals reacted negatively to the change in spectrum. And that was during the worse outbreak I ever had. See post #7 on the below thread. That's what I did, and so far the cyano hasn't come back. I apologize for the long write-up, but wanted to give a what, why, and how approach.

Going natural is always best, but when it gets too bad and somewhat uncontrollable, rake, brush, siphon, flow, and chemiclean really is the way to go--my opinion. I also assume the extra aeration during the treatment helps too.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/plan-to-fight-cyano.890296/
 

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