My path towards SPS

If your LFS sold you that aragonite media with that reactor then they are taking advantage of you and you shouldn’t trust them. That media will not supply any calcium, alkalinity, or anything else in that reactor. It is literally a pile of rocks in that state. That media is for use in a calcium reactor which is a different piece of equipment entirely that uses a CO2 tank, regulator, a couple pumps, etc.
This keeps coming up on this thread... I’m using the wrong media?

I am beginning to think I should use the 3 stage dosing system for alk/calcium /mag and use the reactor for either carbon or gmo.
 
Wait... are you saying I am using the wrong media? ...someone else mentioned that too...
It's not the wrong media, it's the wrong reactor to begin with.

That is the same reactor I ended up converting to an inline sulfur denitrator, but it will not do calcium reactions because it can't accept a CO2 line or reduce the PH low enough to break down the CaCo in it. Right now, the way you have it plumbed, it is literally just extra space for aerobic bacteria. It's a live rock rubble holding tank.
 
I saw the butterfly. Love to have one for insurance against aiptasia but have not taken the plunge. Never been sure about eels as I keep other animals they like to snack on.
Keeping the eels out of the sump has been my biggest challenge with them. I keep them well fed. They beat up a little on each other, but they’ve left the other livestock I have alone. My butterflyfish is eating now! Thank god! The thought of aiptasia was part of the decision to get him. He does peck at my rock constantly. And then there is the whole... he’s just friggin gorgeous! I love that fish : )
 
I’ve spent some time this evening googling calcium reactors... at first I was just googling this

”Aquatop MR-30 calcium reactor setup”

I couldn’t find anything! I could find things about setting up calcium reactors... that all included use of co2 (which I accidentally have... I have a bar upstairs with an empty beer keg built in lol) every video I found on YouTube showed using this reactor with graphite or more often... gmo.

and now... with all the comments I am seeing... now I know why I could find “the video” I was looking for... there is a video for everything on YouTube! But not this. ... and I’m kinna “this forum won’t let me curse” ...has to do with urine

lol... my signature line below is right once again
 
I'd say just forget about the reactor for now. If you're just startting out with corals running low nutrients won't do anything but make it more difficult. Parameters need to be kept within smaller margins.

That reactor runs gfo or carbon. Granular ferric oxide. Rust, basically. It binds phosphate.

As far as dosing. You'll want to start off slow unless you add a bunch of coral all at once. I had coral when I started dosing and I was literally at 1 ml/day to 2 days alk and 1 ml every 2 or 3 days for calcium.
 
Wow... I made one single decision today. Today was the day I decided I wanted to go down the SPS path. Good lord I’ve learned a lot today : ) you guys rock!

You have no clue how much googling I did everytime one of you replied. I love R2R! I didn’t have this 15 years ago... I had me, books and a store. You guys really focused my research efforts.
 
I'd say just forget about the reactor for now. If you're just startting out with corals running low nutrients won't do anything but make it more difficult. Parameters need to be kept within smaller margins.

That reactor runs gfo or carbon. Granular ferric oxide. Rust, basically. It binds phosphate.

As far as dosing. You'll want to start off slow unless you add a bunch of coral all at once. I had coral when I started dosing and I was literally at 1 ml/day to 2 days alk and 1 ml every 2 or 3 days for calcium.
I like what you just said... I have to change my behavior with my tank... right? I can’t just say... I want SPS... wait 6 to 9 months... and start buying livestock... and yeah, I am a gadget guy : ) I like my toys.

what should I start doing?
 
I like what you just said... I have to change my behavior with my tank... right? I can’t just say... I want SPS... wait 6 to 9 months... and start buying livestock... and yeah, I am a gadget guy : ) I like my toys.

what should I start doing?
Keep a log book, be consistent.

Do water changes regularly, be consistent.

Test parameters, be consistent.

Be... consistent.

Form good habits... it makes the difference between someone who has a reef in a tank and a true reefkeeper.
 
Keep a log book, be consistent.

Do water changes regularly, be consistent.

Test parameters, be consistent.

Be... consistent.

Form good habits... it makes the difference between someone who has a reef in a tank and a true reefkeeper.
Oddly enough, I started a log book today. I’m testing for everything right now... even though I am fully cycled now. I’m an accountant by profession... dude... : ) me and numbers : ) lol... lots of smiley faces

I’ll stop testing things when I see proof I don’t have changes... it’s only been 3 months on this tank and I have high aspiration! I like to play in the deep end of the pool : )
 
No, bad, wrong, stop!

NEVER stop testing... you can't see, smell, taste, feel, or hear an alkalinity spike or drop. No sense humans have is acute enough to tell if salinity is off by 2 or 3 points (1.024-1.028!)

You'll just see STN/RTN and wake up to white coral skeletons.

Allow me to be the voice of experience here, never... ever.. stop testing.
 
No, bad, wrong, stop!

NEVER stop testing... you can't see, smell, taste, feel, or hear an alkalinity spike or drop. No sense humans have is acute enough to tell if salinity is off by 2 or 3 points (1.024-1.028!)

You'll just see STN/RTN and wake up to white coral skeletons.

Allow me to be the voice of experience here, never... ever.. stop testing.
Maybe I wrote that wrong... I’ve read and been advised... that since my tank is now fully cycling... there are a couple of things I don’t need to test for anymore. Imma number freak... doing these tests is just fun for me. Keeping a logbook... lol call me Sheldon! If testing for ammonia shows zero change every-time I test by the time this bottle runs out of liquid... yeah, I might stop testing it... that’s all I meant.

I want the additional challenge : ) I haven’t missed a water change or a feeding time by more than five minutes since “enough things” showed up at my house. I did the scape on my tank... everything in it was placed by me. I let someone else do the first plumbing and now I’ve changed most of that.

SPS is just... my lane of travel... and did I mention? SPS tanks are friggin gorgeous! Colorful! Alive!!!
 
I think that someone can start a brand new tank and day 1 put coral in there and have it survive. And that's without cycling the tank. I know because I did it when I had my last tank crack and had to do an emergency transfer.

Now, provided that you've cycled the tank. There's no reason for your parameters to swing if you're not grosely over feeding or doing too large of water changes too often.

Its not too early to start, and I don't see a point in logging. Not to say it's not a good habit, but I don't see what could cause your alk or ca to swing. As long as you have an automatic water top off there's no reason for salinity changes either. Of course you should check, but you can get a feel after a few days how the trend is going to go.

The time when you really need to be on top of your parameters is when you add something new or change any equipment. Then you need to make sure nothing is going to swing.

I would recommend doing this in two phases. With phase 1 being buying some test pieces. Just a few cheaper pieces that would be nice long term if they survive. Then after a few months, buying a bunch of nicer sps that you really want to keep and filling your tank with those.

The reason I say this is because of the battle VS algae. Its very difficult to have a beautiful tank with sps when you're battling back algae constantly, and in my experience the all around best way to control algae is to have enough coral. There's a million things you can do to fight algae, but the only one with no side effect is adding more coral.

So if you buy a piece or two, measure your parameters, maybe learn how to dose for a few months then you'll be good to go.
 
Maybe I wrote that wrong... I’ve read and been advised... that since my tank is now fully cycling... there are a couple of things I don’t need to test for anymore. Imma number freak... doing these tests is just fun for me. Keeping a logbook... lol call me Sheldon! If testing for ammonia shows zero change every-time I test by the time this bottle runs out of liquid... yeah, I might stop testing it... that’s all I meant.

I want the additional challenge : ) I haven’t missed a water change or a feeding time by more than five minutes since “enough things” showed up at my house. I did the scape on my tank... everything in it was placed by me. I let someone else do the first plumbing and now I’ve changed most of that.

SPS is just... my lane of travel... and did I mention? SPS tanks are friggin gorgeous! Colorful! Alive!!!

In my opinion, your testing regimen when starting out with a fully cycled tank should be to test Alkalinity, Calcium, Magnesium, Nitrate, and Phosphate once a week, on the same day of the week, at the same time of the day. You can start to gauge trends in the levels of all these things once you build some data. When your regular water changes stop being effective at keeping these things stable at your target numbers for each of these parameters then you will want to start either supplementing your Alk, Calcium, and mag, and/or doing something to export Nitrate or phosphate (or maybe even supplement them if you can’t keep them up). When you start supplement through dosing or a calcium reactor, you should start testing daily until you have figure out the right amount of supplementation and stabilized the tank. Once everything is stable where it needs to be, you can drop to testing alk once per week, and the rest monthly if you want. More testing never hurts though as it gives you trend data to see what’s going on.
 
I think that someone can start a brand new tank and day 1 put coral in there and have it survive. And that's without cycling the tank. I know because I did it when I had my last tank crack and had to do an emergency transfer.

Now, provided that you've cycled the tank. There's no reason for your parameters to swing if you're not grosely over feeding or doing too large of water changes too often.

Its not too early to start, and I don't see a point in logging. Not to say it's not a good habit, but I don't see what could cause your alk or ca to swing. As long as you have an automatic water top off there's no reason for salinity changes either. Of course you should check, but you can get a feel after a few days how the trend is going to go.

The time when you really need to be on top of your parameters is when you add something new or change any equipment. Then you need to make sure nothing is going to swing.

I would recommend doing this in two phases. With phase 1 being buying some test pieces. Just a few cheaper pieces that would be nice long term if they survive. Then after a few months, buying a bunch of nicer sps that you really want to keep and filling your tank with those.

The reason I say this is because of the battle VS algae. Its very difficult to have a beautiful tank with sps when you're battling back algae constantly, and in my experience the all around best way to control algae is to have enough coral. There's a million things you can do to fight algae, but the only one with no side effect is adding more coral.

So if you buy a piece or two, measure your parameters, maybe learn how to dose for a few months then you'll be good to go.
He already has a tank full of coral, which is what will cause his parameters to drop and change over time and why figuring out a dosing regimen to stabilize it would be a good idea before adding sps frags to his already stocked and running tank.
 
He already has a tank full of coral, which is what will cause his parameters to drop and change over time and why figuring out a dosing regimen to stabilize it would be a good idea before adding sps frags to his already stocked and running tank.

I was just making a point about cycling a tank, VS maturing a tank... And how sps can survive regardless.

He said he has softies, and as far as I know they shouldn't really effect his ca or alk. Corals use it to build their skeleton, made of calcium carbonate, and since soft coral doesn't have a skeleton, there should be almost no swing between water changes.

A mixed tank is going to be much harder to keep than sps only, it becomes very difficult to manipulate the light and flow in a way that you can keep both happy in such a small space. I thought he was going to be switching to an sps tank. If not, going slow with adding sps one at a time is probably a good bet, but as the flow and light is increased to support the new corals you may see some negative reactions from your soft coral.
 
I was just making a point about cycling a tank, VS maturing a tank... And how sps can survive regardless.

He said he has softies, and as far as I know they shouldn't really effect his ca or alk. Corals use it to build their skeleton, made of calcium carbonate, and since soft coral doesn't have a skeleton, there should be almost no swing between water changes.

A mixed tank is going to be much harder to keep than sps only, it becomes very difficult to manipulate the light and flow in a way that you can keep both happy in such a small space. I thought he was going to be switching to an sps tank. If not, going slow with adding sps one at a time is probably a good bet, but as the flow and light is increased to support the new corals you may see some negative reactions from your soft coral.
Part of my plan is to reduce the number of softies as I go. My LFS guy said he is happy to do some trades. I may never make it to SPS only... I like most of my softies : ) ....as I progress towards getting my first SPS... I will,be watching the health of everything in my tank as I go. If something in my tank doesn’t like what I am doing... I’ll remove them... I don’t want to kill anything. Trading them to a store seems the best option. None of this is gonna happen over night : )
 
Part of my plan is to reduce the number of softies as I go. My LFS guy said he is happy to do some trades. I may never make it to SPS only... I like most of my softies : ) ....as I progress towards getting my first SPS... I will,be watching the health of everything in my tank as I go. If something in my tank doesn’t like what I am doing... I’ll remove them... I don’t want to kill anything. Trading them to a store seems the best option. None of this is gonna happen over night : )
Yeah, that is a good option.

I'm just saying, you're walking a fine line with a mixed tank. My tank is still mixed, but I honestly wish it wasn't, I started out with LPS and although I still love the way they look, now that my tank is mostly sps I am having some issues with them getting a little bleached out from the light and battered from the current.. And to be frank I still don't have the light quite as high as it could be and my flow is not where I'd like it to be. But we compromise in a mixed tank.
 
Yeah, that is a good option.

I'm just saying, you're walking a fine line with a mixed tank. My tank is still mixed, but I honestly wish it wasn't, I started out with LPS and although I still love the way they look, now that my tank is mostly sps I am having some issues with them getting a little bleached out from the light and battered from the current.. And to be frank I still don't have the light quite as high as it could be and my flow is not where I'd like it to be. But we compromise in a mixed tank.
I think my water flow is okay right now. I have three nice power heads in my tank.... and the two return lines. I have everything pointed... up... a little right now, making it a little gentler, but not much. I kind of adjusted them when I feed. I was looking for places the food wasn’t making it to, trying to get an even disbursement pattern.
 
I think my water flow is okay right now. I have three nice power heads in my tank.... and the two return lines. I have everything pointed... up... a little right now, making it a little gentler, but not much. I kind of adjusted them when I feed. I was looking for places the food wasn’t making it to, trying to get an even disbursement pattern.

That's a good way to find dead spots and it does sound like a good amount of flow.

I tend to be a bit of a perfectionist with certain perameters. Flow is tricky because certain acros get insane Polyp extension with just the right flow, and anything less bugs me. So, my recommendation is based off the mistakes I've made and what bothers me. Acros don't need insane Polyp extension to live, grow and color up decently nice though
 

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