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Did your nitrates change at all during this?
It looks like the bacteria bloomed like crazy but that could be wrong.
You may want to seriously consider an air stone or some way to hey more oxygen into the tank.
@twilliard that should be correct yes? The bacteria spiking like that would be consuming huge a amounts of 02. (Angry corals)
That reaction would I think say there's a huge something the de tims was feeding on.
Mcfish there has been no change in the original slime? Like blows off easier or color change or texture visually or in your fingers.
It looks like the bacteria bloomed like crazy but that could be wrong.
You may want to seriously consider an air stone or some way to hey more oxygen into the tank.
@twilliard that should be correct yes? The bacteria spiking like that would be consuming huge a amounts of 02. (Angry corals)
That reaction would I think say there's a huge something the de tims was feeding on.
Mcfish there has been no change in the original slime? Like blows off easier or color change or texture visually or in your fingers.
How would you positively identify that?
How would you positively is that sir. Just visually?
twilliard
Tank pests..
Good morning all!
Before a person goes and adds a bunch of different stuff to a tank the issue needs to be identified. Bottom line. There is a lot of guess work that can ultimately lead to total loss.
Now think of this
IF it was a bacteria the o2 level would rise as most bacterium produce o2 as a byproduct.
Second thing if it was a bacteria you will be missing some key elements as this I see is wide spread.
Third if this is a bacterium then common methods of eradication will render pointless.
Point being.. this has to be seen under a microscope to confirm either a bacteria or an algae.
Before a person goes and adds a bunch of different stuff to a tank the issue needs to be identified. Bottom line. There is a lot of guess work that can ultimately lead to total loss.
Now think of this
IF it was a bacteria the o2 level would rise as most bacterium produce o2 as a byproduct.
Second thing if it was a bacteria you will be missing some key elements as this I see is wide spread.
Third if this is a bacterium then common methods of eradication will render pointless.
Point being.. this has to be seen under a microscope to confirm either a bacteria or an algae.
Lenny_S
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The only practical way I can think of is visually and how it responds to treatment.
A good microscope and research would be great, but I don't think that's practical for most hobbiests.
twilliard
Tank pests..
This is a great statement
It just pure speculation, a thorough ID typically involves examination under a scope. I have had Marine Biologist tell me that it's hard to ID dino from visual inspection only.
It's all the other details as they relate to the tank that helps to narrow down a ID.
Bacterial very often appears bacterial to me, then you add the variables of carbon dosing, or a source of decay, chances are good the unknown is bacterial. I rarely see fungal and often I believe it's bad ID. Macro is fairly easy, but when you get to Dino, it's a catch all phrase, I try to notice what the unknown is doing to the system, ie: coral death and health, water clarity......
When you've been looking or examining tanks for 30 years you start to notice the subtleties that assist with IDs.
Oh and I am a girl
It just pure speculation, a thorough ID typically involves examination under a scope. I have had Marine Biologist tell me that it's hard to ID dino from visual inspection only.
It's all the other details as they relate to the tank that helps to narrow down a ID.
Bacterial very often appears bacterial to me, then you add the variables of carbon dosing, or a source of decay, chances are good the unknown is bacterial. I rarely see fungal and often I believe it's bad ID. Macro is fairly easy, but when you get to Dino, it's a catch all phrase, I try to notice what the unknown is doing to the system, ie: coral death and health, water clarity......
When you've been looking or examining tanks for 30 years you start to notice the subtleties that assist with IDs.
Oh and I am a girl
Well at least that's only the third most embassasing thing I've posters on R2rI haven't quite finished reading all the reefsquad profiles yet
Yea Id is tough. I in my tanks like to see feel and smell. Me I'm going algal or Dino. Most likely increased by high nutrients as the stuff may be feeding op the mulm or locked Po. Just a hunch. Maybe a bit of a broken or damaged cycle as the Dr t likely reacted to the exess no and perhaps a tad bit of Am.
I'm going to disagree with Tod here I'm pretty sure bacterial blooms use up a lot of o2. In either case is bet there's limited o2 in the tank or at least an imbalance of dissolved gasses caused by whatever that original stuff is.
For the OP knowing the parameter numbers is soooo important for diagnosis and wveryday health doubly so when dosing really anything to avoid reactions like this bloom. Had high concentrations of no or Am been known I don't believe dr t waste away would be reccomended as on the label it does state dosages and the need for high skimming.
At his pound I'd let it settle and try a bit of manual removeal and pull a rock out and scrub dip in peroxide soloution as if it works you May need to consider in tank peroxide cleanup. The DT tims was still I think a really good call to get things moving.
Here is a pic under a microscope. The only microscope I had at work did not have a very good magnification so I doubt it will be of any value....
Did find the little critter though. Any idea what it is?
Sorry you have been dealing with this for so long. I have a post about my daughter's tank. I have close up pictures of the stuff and microscope images. The "stuff" that was growing in her tank looks similar to yours. We were not able to get rid of it and ending up starting over with a new tank.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/algae-bacteria-dinos-or-what-in-cycling-tank.239144/#post-2824851
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/algae-bacteria-dinos-or-what-in-cycling-tank.239144/#post-2824851
@twillard any thoughts? Have you seen this yet?
Here is a pic under a microscope. The only microscope I had at work did not have a very good magnification so I doubt it will be of any value....
Did find the little critter though. Any idea what it is?
Update:
I am trying to do weekly if not bi weekly water changes. Have been been using a brush to clean off rocks and changing filter socks often. Corals and livestock has improved greatly since pulling the plug early using the Dr Tims. I was worried that some may not pull through
I do think this method will work if I can stay up on it!!
I do have a question. My swimmer's skimmate has been extra foamy recently Anyone experience this before? Is this a good or bad thing?
Certain products such a underwater epoxy will make a skimmer produce more skim mate. I have used any number of products and seen the same changes in foam, there was never any negative impact I just had to keep an eye on the skimmer cup.
Good to hear you're making some head way.
Good to hear you're making some head way.
I will be really curious to see if you see an improvement with more frequent water changes, sometimes I have to wonder if wc feed the growth, guess we'll see.
