Neptune ATK EXPERTS, i need help

[Lowefx]

I have my ATK up and running for a while now. My issue is that i have the main power for the ATK plugged into power bus 3, and is on "auto". the ATK brain is setup on ATK_15. Now my issues is that i dont want the APEX to go through 20+ cycles a day for turning on and off the main power to the pump. If i select "On", it will just continuously run until it is out of water.

How can i leave the main power to the pump ON all of the time, and use the ATK brain to turn on and off by optical sensors.

Please help me. Thank you

 

[SuncrestReef]

The power adapter for the ATK should just be plugged into a normal wall outlet or power strip. If your EnergyBar is the only option you have to power it, then that output should be set to Always On.

The ATK‘s PMUP should be controlled by the FMM module’s 24v Accessory output, which is where the ATK programming is applied to monitor the optical sensors.

Read my ATK tutorial to ensure you have it set up correctly and understand how it’s designed to work:

Neptune Apex Programming Tutorials, Part 3: Automatic Top-Off Kit (ATK)

Part 3 of our series on learning how to program your Neptune Apex for automatic top-off in a saltwater aquarium.

www.reef2reef.com

 

[Lowefx]

The power adapter for the ATK should just be plugged into a normal wall outlet or power strip. If your EnergyBar is the only option you have to power it, then that output should be set to Always On.

The ATK‘s PMUP should be controlled by the FMM module’s 24v Accessory output, which is where the ATK programming is applied to monitor the optical sensors.

Read my ATK tutorial to ensure you have it set up correctly and understand how it’s designed to work:

Neptune Apex Programming Tutorials, Part 3: Automatic Top-Off Kit (ATK)

Part 3 of our series on learning how to program your Neptune Apex for automatic top-off in a saltwater aquarium.

www.reef2reef.com

The Energy bar is my only option, and if i cycle it to "ON", it constantly runs (if i plug it straight into the wall outlet, it would do the same thing). l will read your article, but i think something might not be programmed properly.

 

[SuncrestReef]

Please post the programming from your FMM 24v accessory output. If you’re unsure which one it is, go into the System View, click your FMM module, then click the gear on the output displayed at the top of that list:

 

[TheHarold]

The Energy bar is my only option, and if i cycle it to "ON", it constantly runs (if i plug it straight into the wall outlet, it would do the same thing). l will read your article, but i think something might not be programmed properly.

Did you run the ATK task, and set the ATO output to "Auto"? To me it sounds like you have the ATO output to "ON", which would make it run constantly.

The actual EB8 outlet always stays on.
The ATO output must be on auto

 

[Lowefx]

Did you run the ATK task, and set the ATO output to "Auto"? To me it sounds like you have the ATO output to "ON", which would make it run constantly.

The actual EB8 outlet always stays on.
The ATO output must be on auto

But i dont want the EB8 to go through all of the daily cycles. I dont want it to go through the wear and tear

 

[Lowefx]

Also, both of my sensors are under water right now. The both should be "CLOSED", correct? Because my LowWat is closed but the Highwa is OPEN (Should be closed)

 

[TheHarold]

But i dont want the EB8 to go through all of the daily cycles. I dont want it to go through the wear and tear

You are not listening to me. The EB8 outlet is always on. Heck, you can put the FMM power supply on any power strip or wall outlet. It stays on.

The FMM 24v output, the one you weirdly named “FMM_USB” is your actual FMM top off. That is the 24v port on the FMM that the PMUP is plugged into.

Question about what you are doing- you bought the power cable to connect to the FMM, correct?

So EB8 power plugs into FMM Jack.

PMUP plugs into FMM.

I have a weird feeling that you bought the wrong power supply, and are connecting directly from EB8 to PMUP. This is incorrect.

 

[Lowefx]

You are not listening to me. The EB8 outlet is always on. Heck, you can put the FMM power supply on any power strip or wall outlet. It stays on. When i leave in the ON position (because it will always be ON) the pump will constantly run because the FMM is not telling it to shut off.

The FMM 24v output, the one you weirdly named “FMM_USB” is your actual FMM top off. That is the 24v port on the FMM that the PMUP is plugged into.

Question about what you are doing- you bought the power cable to connect to the FMM, correct? Yes, it came in the box

So EB8 power plugs into FMM Jack. Yes, 110v from the EB8 is plugged directly into the FMM

PMUP plugs into FMM. Yes

I have a weird feeling that you bought the wrong power supply, and are connecting directly from EB8 to PMUP. This is incorrect. No, i bought no extra power supplies to do this.

See remarks in quote that are in RED.

Also it is strange that my Highwa is showing open, when my water level is above both optical sensors.....

 

[Lowefx]

Please respond

 

[schuby]

Yes, if the water level is above both sensors, they should both show "CLOSED". You could either have one or more failed sensors (don't change from CLOSED to OPEN when under water then not under water). Or they the sensors may not be plugged all the way into the FMM module. I have the ATK v1 and replaced both sensors. The v2 sensors are sealed much better. Sensor hasn't failed since (more than a year now).

What is "ATK_PMUP"? Is this a power socket on your EB8 or something else?

What you've name "FMM_ATK_USB" is what should be controlling your pmup pump, but it isn't shown on your screen-shot of APEX controls. Can you show us its setting?

Could you also show us your FMM screen? Here's mine:

 

[Lowefx]

Yes, if the water level is above both sensors, they should both show "CLOSED". You could either have one or more failed sensors (don't change from CLOSED to OPEN when under water then not under water). Or they the sensors may not be plugged all the way into the FMM module. I have the ATK v1 and replaced both sensors. The v2 sensors are sealed much better. Sensor hasn't failed since (more than a year now).

What is "ATK_PMUP"? Is this a power socket on your EB8 or something else?

What you've name "FMM_ATK_USB" is what should be controlling your pmup pump, but it isn't shown on your screen-shot of APEX controls. Can you show us its setting?

Could you also show us your FMM screen? Here's mine:

ATK_PMUP is my power plug from the FMM to the EB8. I labeled the outlet that way so i can remember what it is.

FMM_ATK_USB is the bus 15 (usb on the EB8) that goes to the FMM brain

I hope this helps

 

[TheHarold]

ATK_PMUP is my power plug from the FMM to the EB8. I labeled the outlet that way so i can remember what it is.

FMM_ATK_USB is the bus 15 (usb on the EB8) that goes to the FMM brain

I hope this helps

You have everything 100% backwards.

The USB bus never have names, they are totally invisible and unaddressable from fusion.

The outlet you mistakenly named "ATK_USB" controls the FMM Accesory (ACC) port, where the PMUP is powered from). This is your ATO; where all the programming goes.

Rename it something like "ATO" or "FMM_Acc" so you stop getting confused.

Again, you have said "ATK_PMUP is my power plug from the FMM to the EB8"


You program it via the outlet that you have mistakenly named "ATK_USB".

 

[schuby]

Thanks. I'll assume you used the Task Wizard to set up the ATK. If you didn't, please let us know.

Can you confirm that your LowWat sensor is "Digital Switch 1 on the Fluid Monitoring Module"? This is shown on config screen. And that HighWa sensor is "Digital Switch 2 on the Fluid Monitoring Module"? LowWat is the lowest ATK sensor in your sump and HighWa is the highest, correct?

 

[Lowefx]

Aquabus to EB8 aquabus_15

Power from EB8, socket 3, to the power on the FMM

ACC gives power to the pump in the resivour.

What am I missing here? Can I just remove the whole module and settings and reinstall?

 

[Lowefx]

Thanks. I'll assume you used the Task Wizard to set up the ATK. If you didn't, please let us know.

Can you confirm that your LowWat sensor is "Digital Switch 1 on the Fluid Monitoring Module"? This is shown on config screen. And that HighWa sensor is "Digital Switch 2 on the Fluid Monitoring Module"? LowWat is the lowest ATK sensor in your sump and HighWa is the highest, correct?

Yes low water is 1, high water is 2. And they are securely in the socket

 

[TheHarold]

Aquabus to EB8 aquabus_15

Power from EB8, socket 3, to the power on the FMM

ACC gives power to the pump in the resivour.

What am I missing here? Can I just remove the whole module and settings and reinstall?

You misnamed the ACC port, where your ATO programming is supposed to go, as "ATK_USB".

Read my post carefully: rename it properly, run the fusion task so it adds code to the ACC port, and ensure outlet 3 is set to “on” position and/or just has “set on” as the code.

 

[Lowefx]

You misnamed the ACC port, where your ATO programming is supposed to go, as "ATK_USB".

Read my post carefully: rename it properly, run the fusion task so it adds code to the ACC port, and ensure outlet 3 is set to “on” position and/or just has “set on” as the code.

Ohh, so i cant rename items as i see fit? You have to label them the exact way Neptune only allows you to?

 

[schuby]

Your name choices are confusing. Here's my diagram:

FMM_5, in the middle, is the FMM module. Don't name it ATK. It isn't the ATK.

ATK_5_1, on the top-right, is where the programming is to run the ATK (this is actually the ACC port on the FMM that my pmup is connected to):

Swx5_1 is my low-level sensor (default name) and Swx5_2 is my high-level sensor.

Program summary:

• pmup off after power outage or reboot
• pmup off by default
• pmup gets turned on when the low sensor is OPEN (no water) and turns off if not OPEN
• pmup turns off if high sensor is CLOSED (under water). This is a safety feature.
• pmup only stays on for 5 minutes max (reservoir may be empty)
• (don't know)
• (don't know)
• wait at least two hours between fills.

The power socket in my EB8, where the adapter plugged into PWR port on FMM, is set to Always ON. Outlet setting on APEX screen of controls is Auto.

ATK_5_1 is set to Auto. To disable ATK, for whatever reason, I change ATK_5_1 to OFF.

 

[schuby]

If I set ATK_5_1 to ON, then the pmup runs until I turn it OFF or AUTO.