Neptune Trident

[justingraham]

I cannot imagine any of that is even remotely true ..... doesn't even make any business sense LOL. Patience is a virtue, particularly in this hobby, on multiple levels. I'm with the earlier comment about a fully vetted 'solution'. I've run reef tanks for 30 years without automated alk monitoring .....

My guess is they're having trouble getting it to work reliably in a commercially reproducible way. Neptune do have a habit of jumping the announcement gun. Of course a conspiracy theory that throws logic and common sense to the wind is much more fun.

Sad thing is you only have to search this forum to find everything I said to be true read thru the trident faq thread

I do owe a big apology to Terrance (like I do my ex wife) because without both of them I wouldn’t have found a better solution to making my life easier.
With both situations the better solution wasn’t the trident even tho I thought it was. The answer was right in front of me in both situations and when I eventually let go my Corals and life got way better. I only wish I didn’t upgrade my apex but hey as Terrance put it I got a new set of probes....

 

[justingraham]

This is more comparable to the trident and looks better:
https://www.reefkinetics.com/

Alkatronic is a monitor and controller.

Have u seen the video on this?
Very interesting but seems loud to me I hope this makes it as the inventor seems like a great guy

 

[ca1ore]

Sad thing is you only have to search this forum to find everything I said to be true read thru the trident faq thread

I do owe a big apology to Terrance (like I do my ex wife) because without both of them I wouldn’t have found a better solution to making my life easier.
With both situations the better solution wasn’t the trident even tho I thought it was. The answer was right in front of me in both situations and when I eventually let go my Corals and life got way better. I only wish I didn’t upgrade my apex but hey as Terrance put it I got a new set of probes....

I was actually referring to a different post than yours ..... though perhaps that was not entirely clear. I don't know precisely what you were 'told' by Neptune; but upgrading based on some future promised enhancements is usually folly. I upgraded to the new apex, not because of trident, but because I felt my older controller was getting a bit long in tooth and merited replacement. Though ironically, I have had more issue with the new one than with the classic. Figures! When, or if, trident comes out, I will evaluate it on it's incremental merits.

 

[shred5]

Have u seen the video on this?
Very interesting but seems loud to me I hope this makes it as the inventor seems like a great guy

I have seen a couple.

 

[rkpetersen]

Happy to wait for it. It'll be cool when it arrives and everyone will forget about the wait.

 

[justingraham]

I have seen a couple.

WhAt is ur thoughts?

 

[TheHarold]

Anyone else ready to give up on the Trident and look at alkatronic or another alk monitor?

I was considering it earlier, but think I am waiting on the ReefDose from Red Sea to get "really" dosing so may as well just stick with my alk checker for now.

 

[TheHarold]

What exactly does the trident have at this point in time? Can it do this for anyone besides five people?

All it has is a bunch of promises No one has seen except on a demo unit it has a promised release date of second quarter this year.... that was over four months ago


We have gave them time they have given us nothing but release date after release date till all the sudden not a peep for the last quarter.

The red text is your opinion, not a fact . A few distributors have them right now- he visto uno. They're doing testing, apex is recalling them every two weeks or so to make modifications. Tons of red tape around it, apex does NOT want their proprietary system leaked before release. Tamper resisting screws, "void if open" foam/internal stickers, etc.

Yes, its annoying that they are by far missing the initial release date. But they dont owe you anything; it is not something you have paid for. I would rather that they not release it defective than meet the initial date. Someone messed up, yes. Get over it

 

[roberthu526]

I cannot imagine any of that is even remotely true ..... doesn't even make any business sense LOL. Patience is a virtue, particularly in this hobby, on multiple levels. I'm with the earlier comment about a fully vetted 'solution'. I've run reef tanks for 30 years without automated alk monitoring .....

My guess is they're having trouble getting it to work reliably in a commercially reproducible way. Neptune do have a habit of jumping the announcement gun. Of course a conspiracy theory that throws logic and common sense to the wind is much more fun.

It makes total business sense actually. As more and more people own the classic models the market became saturated and it became more and more difficult to sell the controller as a package. What they could make profit on were mostly the probes. It is similar to T5 fixtures, if T5 were like LEDs that you only had to replace them every 5 or 10 years, what do you think would happen to the T5 bulb manufacturers? Same thing with Apex. Unfortunately people don’t need new apex every few years so they need to find a way to sell more controller. Here enters the 2016 model and the Trident. You want auto testing? You have to have the new model. Sure not every one wants auto testing but it is a major selling point for a new model.

The Trident is an add on module just like the PMK and FMM which is the reason I don’t understand why the classic model can’t run it. It is not like the WiFi connectivity or the power consumption monitor that actually require additional hardware to achieve. Trident is a full add on with all necessary parts and it comes with all necessary firmware so making it compatible shouldn’t be impossible. It is like saying your computer is 8 years old so it can’t run MS Word. As long as the computing capacity is there it should be able to run most softwares, maybe slower but not impossible. However if the computer doesn’t have a USB port then of course it is not compatible with USB add ons because that is a hardware limitation.

 

[TheHarold]

It makes total business sense actually. As more and more people own the classic models the market became saturated and it became more and more difficult to sell the controller as a package. What they could make profit on were mostly the probes. It is similar to T5 fixtures, if T5 were like LEDs that you only had to replace them every 5 or 10 years, what do you think would happen to the T5 bulb manufacturers? Same thing with Apex. Unfortunately people don’t need new apex every few years so they need to find a way to sell more controller. Here enters the 2016 model and the Trident. You want auto testing? You have to have the new model. Sure not every one wants auto testing but it is a major selling point for a new model.

The Trident is an add on module just like the PMK and FMM which is the reason I don’t understand why the classic model can’t run it. It is not like the WiFi connectivity or the power consumption monitor that actually require additional hardware to achieve. Trident is a full add on with all necessary parts and it comes with all necessary firmware so making it compatible shouldn’t be impossible. It is like saying your computer is 8 years old so it can’t run MS Word. As long as the computing capacity is there it should be able to run most softwares, maybe slower but not impossible. However if the computer doesn’t have a USB port then of course it is not compatible with USB add ons because that is a hardware limitation.

This just shows you do not really understand how hardware develops. From your USB example (where one can use a $2 adapter) to thinking that the incompatibility is from the apex classic not having wifi or power consumption monitoring- completely unrelated to why trident does not work with the apex classic.

I will try to break it down a bit.
The apex classic is from 2009.

Is your current phone from 2009? Does it work well with 2018 software- can you watch 4k videos with no lag?
Is your current laptop from 2009? Does it work well with 2018 software- can you watch 4k videos with no lag?

Do you expect your 2009 phone to be able to play the newest demanding games available in the App Store? No, because they have minimum requirements for hardware.
Hardware changes. The computing/processing that the trident needs very well could be incompatible with the low processing power on the apex classic.
There does not have to be a big scheme against apex classic users. The apex 2016 can use all of your EB8s, modules, etc. You would just need a new head unit if you need the apex trident capability. The full apex head unit is $399- compatible with all your existing accessories.

Is the fact that 2018 hardware may be incompatible with 2013 hardware really that incompreshensible?

When the apex classic was designed, I assure you that nobody assumed it would be processing the results of advanced titrations of calcium, alkalinity, and magnesium.

2009 dude. 2009. You got 10 years from your apex classic... if you are that bitter that your 10 year old controller wont work with trident, after apex has continually been supporting you with updates to Fusion and modules for this long, I dont know what to say.

 

[ca1ore]

I am a business guy, not a technical guy. I have no idea whether something like trident can work with the old apex or not. I'm always of the view that the future should not be limited by the past - so Neptune should not contrain their future products based on the limitations of the classics. Whether that is the case here I cannot say. What I can say is that the addressable market for trident would be much larger if it could work with the old apex. Clearly if trident cannot be made to work with the old apex there is some 'motivation' for current classic owners to upgrade, but how many will actually do it?

Scenario 1 - by trident not working with the classic, they will sell incrementally more 2016 upgrades, but less overall tridents.

Scenario 2 - if trident worked with the classic, they'd sell more tridents but less 2016 upgrades (though folks will still upgrade to 2016 eventually based on classic failures due to age or other 2016 features).

The question is which scenario generates the most revenue? My guess, and it is just a guess, is that scenario 2 generates higher revenues. That Neptune is not doing that suggests that to me that the inability to get trident to work with the classic is as they have claimed. No need for a conspiracy theory.

 

[justingraham]

The red text is your opinion, not a fact . A few distributors have them right now- he visto uno. They're doing testing, apex is recalling them every two weeks or so to make modifications. Tons of red tape around it, apex does NOT want their proprietary system leaked before release. Tamper resisting screws, "void if open" foam/internal stickers, etc.

Yes, its annoying that they are by far missing the initial release date. But they dont owe you anything; it is not something you have paid for. I would rather that they not release it defective than meet the initial date. Someone messed up, yes. Get over it

I didn’t upgrade my old apex for the new one because they were not selling the head units at the time? Send me the 800 dollars and I’ll get over it real fast. And the release date was set by them no one else. If u had a job and u told ur boss I will have it done on a certain date when he didn’t ask u when it was going to be done and u came back to him when the job was supposed to be done and said it’s not ready and then just stopped talking to him would u have a job? Every apex fanboy thinks neptune can never do any wrong in their eyes then one day neptune will truly mess up their tank and when they try to explain their side of the story to hopefully save someone from the same fate another fanboy will tell them they owe u nothing and just get over it

Also have u or anyone else beside neptune seen these units or just more apex rumors?

 

[TheHarold]

Also have u or anyone else beside neptune seen these units or just more apex rumors?

Yup, Ive seen the unit of one of the beta testers about two weeks ago. Pretty sick. Because they are trying to keep the Trident's internals secret for now, they are using some of their dealers, not the NSIs (Neptune system insiders). Making them sign their lives away basically

 

[mrpizzaface]

The trident prototype is to curvy looking (as a modern device/appliance). Reminds me of a mid century modern telephone, or a 90’s michaels graves toaster from target. No thanks.

 

[Steven Postalwait]

This is more comparable to the trident and looks better:
https://www.reefkinetics.com/

Alkatronic is a monitor and controller.

I have a feeling that one will be trouble for Neptune if it works right. If I can get something that will also monitor nitrates and phosphates why wouldn’t I?

 

[mrpizzaface]

I have a feeling that one will be trouble for Neptune if it works right. If I can get something that will also monitor nitrates and phosphates why wouldn’t I?

For real

 

[Mark Gray]

I have no problem waiting i have had fantastic success with the Apex systems that have one is fairly complex

 

[Wildcats1023]

I have no problem waiting i have had fantastic success with the Apex systems that have one is fairly complex

I too have loved having my Apex just ready for the Trident. I'm too lazy of a reefer to not have an alk monitor. Partly me and partly im my son's crazy travel baseball schedule.

 

[TheHarold]

I have a feeling that one will be trouble for Neptune if it works right. If I can get something that will also monitor nitrates and phosphates why wouldn’t I?

Its not the same thing. Not connected to your tank- you physically put in a water sample to test. And it uses a bunch of different brands of test kits if you read about it- salifert, etc. Complicated.

 

[nezw0001]

I was waiting patiently for the Trident but couldn't handle it anymore after a ALK crash while i was out of town resulting in a bunch of stressed SPS. I ordered a KHdirector as I already had a Doser 2.0 and slave unit laying around.