New 75g Fish List Question

[Rogerga]

All
My 75g DT with a 34g Trigger sump is cycling with almost 75lbs of reefsaver rock and live sand. I used the Dr Tim's fishless cycle and all is going well. I plan on adding chaeto to my sump soon and need to get my first fish in the QT for a month. This will be a reef tank with softies and LPS initially. This list is my master list and with only 75g I'm not expecting to add everything. A pair of clownfish is a must and that is my first question. With this list, is it OK to add them as my first or is there a better choice?

Anthias, Wrasse (reef safe), Divinci Ocellaris Pair, Dwarf Angelfish, Blenny, Kaudern Cardinal, Blue reef chromis, dragonet, dottyback, one spot foxface, goby/pistol shrimp, kole tang, tank bred blue hippo tang. I know the blue hippo's need a larger tank, but I heard the tank bred are smaller and tank longer to outgrow???

OK, i'm all ears.

 

[nereefpat]

Anthias - Which one and how many? There are some that either get too big, don't do well in groups, are really sensitive, etc.
Wrasse - Lots of choices for reef safe wrasses. Almost all will fit in a 75. There are a few things to look out for, though. Which one?
Clowns- Fine
Dwarf angel - Probably fine. Some are really difficult to keep (Potter's). Most have a risk or sampling your LPS, but some (Lemonpeel) are notorious for it.
Blenny - Probably fine. Which one?
Cardinal - Fine
Chromis - Fine, unless you want a group. Sometimes groups don't work out.
Dragonette - Fine, after you have a good pod population (6-12 months).
Dottyback - Careful. Most are aggressive. The orchid (Fridmani) is the most peaceful.
Foxface - Gets borderline too large. Kind of up to you.
Goby/shrimp- Fine.
Kole - Fine. There might be a potential problem with the blenny, if the blenny is a starry or lawnmower.
Hippo tang - Gets way too big, at nearly a foot. They behave strangely and develop health problems in smaller tanks too, and catching one out of a reef is no fun.

Clowns first is probably fine.

Hope that helps.

 

[Oshengems]

This is my current list in my 75gDT-30g sump ~110-120lb live rock some in my sump.

4xblue/green cromis (these guys gave my tank life)
Purple Dottyback
Royal Gramma
Purple Dartfish
Lighting & Gold nugget maroons
Orange face wrasse
Flasher wrasse
Leopard wrasse
Potters angel(2 months still not accepting prepared food but with the extra rocks he’s still nice and fat)
And Hippo tang

The hippo is going out to add a trio of anthias although he was bought the size of a quarter 7-8 months later he’s ~4” and I can tell you he’s my only fish I can clearly see doesn’t belong aesthetically he doesn’t belong maybe I have too much rocks but he’s become more and more aggressive. My maroons are nasty as well and I cannot add any new wrasses I tried it 3 times one with acclimation box but my dottyback and flasher are too much to bare then the occasional jabs from the maroons makes it hard to add new fishes but will Attempt a trio of small anthias, I had a trio of resplandant with the above list for 8-9 months doing good 2 jumped and the 3rd I guess felt lonely because he disappeared after a few weeks. I have a lot of scavengers that make quick work of any ill or dying fish specially my blood and coral banded shrimps

 

[Sailingeric]

Instead of the Dottyback, you could get a Royal Gamma. Similar color and not as pushy.

 

[norfolkgarden]

"Anthias, Wrasse (reef safe), Divinci Ocellaris Pair, Dwarf Angelfish, Blenny, Kaudern Cardinal, Blue reef chromis, dragonet, dottyback, one spot foxface, goby/pistol shrimp, kole tang, tank bred blue hippo tang. I know the blue hippo's need a larger tank, but I heard the tank bred are smaller and tank longer to outgrow???"

Welcome to R2R!

To give you some comparison, our 75 has been up and running for 6 years, with a major crash after 4.

Currently doing well and restocking for about 2 years with softies and a few LPS.
At 14 + 3 (mostly) small fish we are done stocking and just enjoying watching everyone grow.
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17 fish is a (too) huge amount for this size tank! Most of our fish will never get larger than 3" at maximum. All are well below that size now.
If you eventually stock this heavily you will need to be very careful of power outages and water changes with 'stale' water.
If you are on a budget get several of the battery operated airstones that plug into the wall and turn on automatically during a power outage.

We have -
a harem of 8 Royal Grammas. Only 2 months worth of success so not guaranteed yet.
The biggest is 1.5" and the rest are noticeably smaller.

2.5" flame hawkfish,
2.5" pintail wrasse,
2.5" Lubbock fairy wrasse,
1.5" sapphire damsel (very well behaved),
2.5" copperband butterfly,
1.5" yellow tang (tried several others earlier but they were too big at 2". Total jerks. This one is too small to throw its weight around yet. Hoping it will behave as it gets older.) [emoji849]
2 neon blue cleaner gobies,
1 neon gold cleaner goby

A mature yellow tang by itself is pushing it for a 75.
The copper band is also pushing it for a 75.

As for your stocking list,
[emoji848]
Even a really tiny hippo tang is only about 2 years worth of rental.
Entirely up to you but I wouldn't do it again.
Had several before. But catching them later is difficult and you never know where they will end up after you bring them back to the LFS.
Did someone with a 55 buy them?!

Anthias can be difficult to feed. Need lots of small feedings to do well.
Lots of people do well with them but they are definitely in the difficult list. If you can cater to them they are beautiful!

The Fox face and kole tang will be similar to my copper band and yellow tang.
Doable, but really pushing it. Try to get them as small as possible.
Never kept a fox face. Neat fish! Guessing they will get along with the kole tang?
Guessing you will want to add them at the same time when the time comes?

I'm finished with the dwarf angels for a few years until I can talk Better Half into a 125 fowler. [emoji23]
Nothing is prettier than a flame angel but only a yellow tang is more of a jerk to smaller fish. So was the pygmy angel. [emoji2955] It thought it was a damsel.
The African flame back was actually pretty nice but we lost it in the crash.

There is a wrasse compatibility thread that you need to check out. Several very knowledgeable people can suggest which ones will do well together.
You could easily stock up on 4 or 5 fairy and flasher wrasse if they are compatible ones and added in the right order.
Pretty sturdy, amazing colors and lots of activity.

If you go with an Orchid dottyback it should be reasonably well behaved.
The rest are all mean.
Perfect if you go with aggressive fish but pretty rough if you want to add smaller sensitive fish.

The rest of your fish list sounds cool!

 

[Rogerga]

So I have added a pair of extreme black ice clownfish a week ago. Things are looking good. I appreciate the responses and I have tried to do some more detailed researching. Here is what I was thinking of adding to the pair in my tank today. Is there any issues and in what order should they be added?
Carpenter's Fairy Wrasse or McCoskeri Flasher Wrasse (or both if possible, I need more research here)
Starry Blenny, Lawnmower Blenny, or Blue Eye Golden Midas Blenny (only 1 of these)
Three Kaudern's Cardinal Fish
Three Blue Reef Chromis (Or 1 Royal Gramma if too many fish)
Goby/Pistol Shrimp Pair

These below are potential adds but I'm not for sure about compatibility and bio-load.
Flame Angelfish or Coral Beauty Angelfish
One Spot Foxface

I'm still saving for my lights so I have not added any coral yet and will probably get that done before adding many of these if any. I do have my refugium light and I will be adding Chaeto to my fuge soon which also has a Nyos skimmer running.

 

[theKoolAidMan]

Thoughts:

Kole Tangs and Lawnmower or Starry Blennies do not mix well. I would know as I made that mistake. Luckily for me my Starry Blenny was added first and is larger than the Kole tang, so he mostly ignores the tang's pecking at him and is no worse for wear, but if you add the blenny after the tang or get a small one, he'll be bullied to the point of starving. The tang will instinctively see the blenny as direct competition for prime algae grazing.

There are many options for wrasses. A flasher or fairy would do well. Personal preference really.

If this is going to be a reef tank, then be careful with the dwarf angel. Lemonpeels are almost guaranteed to occasionally eat your coral. Flame are less likely but many people have issues with them. Coral Beauties are the safest bet, but no guarantee. I've had them in 2 different tanks and never had a problem. I would go as far as saying a coral beauty that eats coral is the exception rather than the norm.

As for when to add the clownfish, that's up to you and depends on the age of the fish. If you get two unpaired juveniles, you should be fine adding them early. If they're pair adults, however, they may be aggressive toward newcomers.

 

[wesman42]

You might consider a bicolor blenny! As long as you get the kole tang as a juvenile I firmly believe you'll be okay with a blenny and kole tang.

 

[Jesterrace]

Anthias - Which one and how many? There are some that either get too big, don't do well in groups, are really sensitive, etc.
Wrasse - Lots of choices for reef safe wrasses. Almost all will fit in a 75. There are a few things to look out for, though. Which one?
Clowns- Fine
Dwarf angel - Probably fine. Some are really difficult to keep (Potter's). Most have a risk or sampling your LPS, but some (Lemonpeel) are notorious for it.
Blenny - Probably fine. Which one?
Cardinal - Fine
Chromis - Fine, unless you want a group. Sometimes groups don't work out.
Dragonette - Fine, after you have a good pod population (6-12 months).
Dottyback - Careful. Most are aggressive. The orchid (Fridmani) is the most peaceful.
Foxface - Gets borderline too large. Kind of up to you.
Goby/shrimp- Fine.
Kole - Fine. There might be a potential problem with the blenny, if the blenny is a starry or lawnmower.
Hippo tang - Gets way too big, at nearly a foot. They behave strangely and develop health problems in smaller tanks too, and catching one out of a reef is no fun.

Clowns first is probably fine.

Hope that helps.

I agree with that 100%, although I will add a few things in

Wrasses-Flasher and Fairy are completely Reef Safe and any of the generally Peaceful varieties will work well in a 75 gallon, Halichoeres Wrasses tend to be small invert munchers (ie snails, hermits and ornamental shrimp, they will leave corals alone though), but are full of personality and color. Among the more popular choices: Yellow Wrasse, Red Lined Wrasse, Christmas Wrasse (Claudia), and Melanurus. Leopard Wrasses are stunning and completely Reef Safe, but they are notoriously poor shippers and picky copepod eaters by default. They only way I recommend one is if your LFS does a bulk order of them and you find one that has been in the tank and active and feeding on frozen foods/pellets for 2-3 weeks. Then you stand a really good chance of getting a strong, healthy and adaptable fish.
Clowns-Stick with the Occ (ie Nemo) or Percula Varieties, the others tend to be quite a bit more aggressive
Dragonet-Not a good fish for Newbies at all. They are picky pod eaters by nature and need to feed almost constantly during the waking hours. As mentioned it will take 6-12 months for a healthy and self-breeding copepod population that will sustain a single dragonet.
Dottyback-Either stick to the Orchid or swap for a Royal Gramma Basslet
Foxface-Only the One Spot variety will work and it is pushing it. All other Foxfaces get too big for that tank.
Kole-Will Work, but the combo of this fish and the Foxface will occupy lots of space in your tank
Hippo-Just don't. 180 gallons is considered the bare minimum for this fish to be happy long term and the idea of simply re-homing it when it gets too big is a really bad idea for the reasons mentioned above.

 

[Jesterrace]

If this is going to be a reef tank, then be careful with the dwarf angel. Lemonpeels are almost guaranteed to occasionally eat your coral. Flame are less likely but many people have issues with them. Coral Beauties are the safest bet, but no guarantee. I've had them in 2 different tanks and never had a problem. I would go as far as saying a coral beauty that eats coral is the exception rather than the norm.

Agreed. My CB does the once in a blue moon type exploratory nip of my Euphyllia frags (and spits it back out) and then moves back to algae and seaweed grazing. My Flame on the other hand took repeated nips and was a jerk to his tank mates to boot. Just my opinion but Flames and Lemon Peels tend to be more aggressive to tank mates than the CB as well.