Nitrate and Bio Balls

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Hey REEF2REEF, I was told that as long as i was using Bio Balls in my Sump, It would be very hard to get and keep a zero Nitrate reading. I was wondering if that was a true statement? Would removing the Bio Balls help me to keep a zero Nitrate level? As always any help and advise will be greatly appreciated! Thank You!:wink:
 
Hey Tank.Bro,, I too hopes that's not true,, but i was told this morning that if you use Bio Balls in your Sump, it will be very hard if not impossible to keep a zero Nitrate level.. I truly hope someone here can tell us if that's true or not and if its true that Bio Balls contributes to a high Nitrate level what we could possibly do to combat the problem.. If you find out or read anything please let me know! Thanks!!
 
Okay I'll go research but I use them in my canister filter 0 nitrates but I haven't had anything in the tank. I just started my reef up again and I am attempting my hand at bio balls and ceramic rings.
 
The issue is that they just trap too much detritus and become a nitrate factory eventually... They're kind of "not in fashion" anymore if I was being truthful.
 
Ah aha I found a link her it is: http://www.nano-reef.com/topic/277902-myth-about-bio-balls-and-nitrate-factories/

Also what I will say from this argument I found is that if you are to keep bioballs you must clean them. I have a canister so that happened every 2 weeks. So I'm not worried but in a sump make sure your cleaning the space they are in and the bio balls them selves Oma regular basis

And you say nitrate factory I have to say this. Nitrates are present in any reef so even the best reefs could be considered a nitrate factory. Such a biased term.

So overall if you clean you bioballs
THEY ARE NOT A NITRATE FACTORY!!!
 
Thanks so much Tank.Bro, I'm online now looking for something or anything that can answer that question.. When I first started up my 55gl and before I added any life, I did have a zero Nitrate reading while using the Bio Balls,, but as time passed and the addition of 4 small fish and a couple of Anemones my Nitrate level has increased even with 25 & sometimes 30% bi-weekly water changes..
 
If you are doing a reef you do not need bio balls. Yes they will contribute to nitrate issues. Only use good live rock and protein skimming and you will be fine.
 
Thanks for that link!! I'm on it right now!! Oh,, I thought when you clean the Bio Balls you are defeating the purpose of the Bio Balls, I thought you would kill all the beneficial bacteria if you cleaned the Bio Balls.. Maybe I'm all wrong! LOL!! THANKS I'm going to check out that link you sent me now!
 
Yes I would you do not need them if you have live rock. Bio balls should only be used in a fish only tank.
 
True true I would remove them for a tank your size. Say you had a 10 gal nano and you had 6 cups If bioballs okay but a iffy five with a gallon no a lot f detritus build up.
 
Hey Tank.Bro, Thanks for that link! I learned a lot from reading it.. I wonder if there are any Reefers out here that still use Bio balls in their Reef setup and if cleaning the Bio Balls, lets say when changing your filter material is the answer to keeping Nitrates at a low level. I THOUGHT that when you clean the Bio balls you destroy helpful bacteria..
 
After reading this link it talks a lot about it collecting detritus. Well instead of a bacterial filtration I think it's something to catch debris. I think people are using bio balls all wrong. In my opinion I think they are supposed to be used for collecting detritus and free floating things. That link did just what you needed it debated on the idea of nitrates so there you go. But keep in mind how to fix your bioballs to preform a different action. Possibly as a filter to catch free floating material.
 
OK I will be removing the Bio balls tomorrow after work.. Thanks guys for all your help and opinions!! If anyone has any more links to share i will diffidently read them!! THANKS AGAIN!!
 
Yup that's what the community is here to do. I'm glad you go what you needed I'll look for some more links in the morning.
 
I never thought about fixing my bio balls to perform in a different way,, INTERESTING!!! Thanks Tank.Bro!!
 
FWIW, some of what people claim in that linked discussion is not true.

Summarizing what is true,

1. Regardless of what bioballs do, if you have adequate nitrate export, you will not have a nitrate problem with or without them, and with inadequate export, you may have a problem with or without them.

2. There are two reason bioballs are a nitrate "factory":

A. One is that detritus can collect. But that only matters if the detritus is somehow otherwise removed from the tank. If it just settles elsewhere, then that isn't a factor.
B. The other reason as to do with where nitrification and denitrification take place.

I discuss (B) in this article:

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2003/8/chemistry

from it in the section on how to reduce nitrate:

Remove Existing Filters Designed To Facilitate The Nitrogen Cycle.
Such filters do a fine job of processing ammonia to nitrite to nitrate, but do nothing with the nitrate. It is often non-intuitive to many aquarists, but removing such a filter altogether may actually help reduce nitrate. So slowly removing them and allowing more of the nitrogen processing to take place on and in the live rock and sand can be beneficial.


It is not that any less nitrate is produced when such a filter is removed, it is a question of what happens to the nitrate after it is produced.


When it is produced on the surface of media such as bioballs, it mixes into the entire water column, and then has to find its way, by diffusion, to the places where it may be reduced (inside of live rock and sand, for instance).


If it is produced on the surface of live rock or sand, then the local concentration of nitrate is higher there than in the first case above, and it is more likely to diffuse into the rock and sand to be reduced to N2.
 

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