Nitrates won't go down! Over 150

I guess I don't see how you're "recreating nature" by putting peaceful fish in a small enclosure with predators. In the ocean, peaceful fish can hide in the reef until a passing predator goes away. The predators in your tank never go away. Your peaceful fish are just living on borrowed time.

Good luck with your nitrate problem though.
 
i won't lie reading this thread again, i'm really at a loss

you have a(n)

-octopus tank
-mantis shrimp tank, mantis shrimp in a sump somewhere, and then a 3rd zebra mantis somewhere lurking
-office tank with a panther grouper among who knows what else
-this home 55 gallon that houses (fluctuating daily i assume) ~20 fish. with drop in visits from: anglers, stonefish, and lionfish

you somehow acquired a remora, but sounds like it met a quick demise. somehow you still have 7 out of 9 seahorses, so good job on that i guess.

idk man, i think i'm leaning on you're trolling hard here. i'll need more pics that show more than a few fish and a couple seahorses.

and if money is tight, why do you keep adding in a bunch of predator fish that are going to eat _everything_ in your tank?!
 
@Hemmdog and @mattzang LOOL! You guys are funny! Yea the remora is a long story but a very short stay ;/.

@ccombs Thank you for your advice. I appreciate and understand it, and largely agree with it. The 525 will be for whoever I have in the current tank, and I have several tanks as I mentioned. Finances will be more strained as well lol, so all I have is all I'll be having fish-wise for some time. If I cut down the stock a bit (or to other tanks), get some good nitrate control something, along with more often than acceptable water changes, it is sustainable and maintainable. I'm looking for some help with that nitrate something. Some lessons I'm learning too late, though, like with quarantining. And all of the above makes it generally sustainable, though far from ideal from the perspective of having least amount of work or expense.

It is a hobby. Like many other hobbies that I/people have. For example, some people can churn a fat book in a matter of 2 days, others like to take notes and annotate and illustrate the same book as they read it for weeks. I mean, I am far from schooling anyone. just entertaining the inner child with all your helpful advice and posts (to a myriad of threads I've read here) :)
I will say this. Although I very much disagree with how you have set up your tank. I do admire how well you are taking criticism. Most people post threads where they have some huge issues and don't take the advice well.

So good job on that front. I hope you do get everything under control and where you want it.

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i won't lie reading this thread again, i'm really at a loss

you have a(n)

-octopus tank
-mantis shrimp tank, mantis shrimp in a sump somewhere, and then a 3rd zebra mantis somewhere lurking
-office tank with a panther grouper among who knows what else
-this home 55 gallon that houses (fluctuating daily i assume) ~20 fish. with drop in visits from: anglers, stonefish, and lionfish

you somehow acquired a remora, but sounds like it met a quick demise. somehow you still have 7 out of 9 seahorses, so good job on that i guess.

idk man, i think i'm leaning on you're trolling hard here. i'll need more pics that show more than a few fish and a couple seahorses.

and if money is tight, why do you keep adding in a bunch of predator fish that are going to eat _everything_ in your tank?!
Lololol
 
@mattzang What can I say? lol I'm not here to prove anything so I don't have the photos lined up. Most of what I have is videos and I donno how to upload them here. But if you must know, in the pic I did share you can easily count 7 large adult seahorses, a black frilly striated angler by the feather duster, the golden pilotfish by the 2 mono argentus, the red scooter dragonet, and the black leopard wrasse recently passed (in the bottom right). I can't get all of them out for a group shot lol I'm just here to learn more, and of course apply it in a mix of my own personal experience.

I may be addicted too. It's a conscious thing I say when I say finances are tight. The subconscious spends beyond its budget lol That perhaps qualifies it for addiction.

The octopus tank is separate. So are the mantises with an angler and the grouper and a dragon wrasse and a shy hamlet. Another small tank houses smaller seahorses mainly on pods and mini mysis, and that tank has a couple clingfishes and a couple catalina gobies, latter a pair. What's the troll here though? "haha i fooled you guys into thinking I have 4 tanks or more fish than I should have"? lool Every forum I read has a multitude of people with multiple tanks, some in the 10s. I would have a 100 if I could, but I can only barely manage these 4 lol which i use as 7.

Thank you to everyone though pitching in. Whatever I agree with or disagree with, will all always be taken into consideration and thought! :)
 
well the troll being, you're trying to keep or are keeping some very expert level stuff, but seem to make seriously novice mistakes.. like putting 25+ fish in a 55 gallon tank and then posting on here wondering why your nitrates are super high. its also like you went out of your way to locate fish that are borderline 'don't bother' type fish. now you mention you have catalina gobies in a tank, those fish live off california and don't last long in water that isn't like 65 degrees.. it's like every time you post there's something new that's not advisable lol.

if you want help on not killing fish i'm sure people would be happy to help.. like maybe set up one of your tanks as a predator tank and another tank as a peaceful community tank. but you might want to stop casually dropping in anglers/lions/stonefish to the community tank. like instead of not putting in too many fish, your solution is to add a lionfish so it'll get rid of fish lol. not exactly what most people in the hobby would advise is responsible. if you dont want fish, dont buy them or give them away, not kill them via sea goblin addition
 
well the troll being, you're trying to keep or are keeping some very expert level stuff, but seem to make seriously novice mistakes.. like putting 25+ fish in a 55 gallon tank and then posting on here wondering why your nitrates are super high. its also like you went out of your way to locate fish that are borderline 'don't bother' type fish. now you mention you have catalina gobies in a tank, those fish live off california and don't last long in water that isn't like 65 degrees.. it's like every time you post there's something new that's not advisable lol.

if you want help on not killing fish i'm sure people would be happy to help.. like maybe set up one of your tanks as a predator tank and another tank as a peaceful community tank. but you might want to stop casually dropping in anglers/lions/stonefish to the community tank. like instead of not putting in too many fish, your solution is to add a lionfish so it'll get rid of fish lol. not exactly what most people in the hobby would advise is responsible. if you dont want fish, dont buy them or give them away, not kill them via sea goblin addition
Hahahaha :D;Eggonface im dying over here lololol.
 
Fish, coral, and feeding feeds the Nitrogen cycle the needed Ammonia content which easily gets converted to Nitrate with your nitrifying bacteria. However, Nitrate accumulates without proper export. Water changes are poor for export of Nitrates. I use an algae scrubber and export via harvest of growth in the scrubber. Bio denitrator is another great method. Over feeding is a large contributor.
 
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For the nitrates and phosphates building an Algae Scrubber was the best thing we ever did. Never had a problem with it again. Even turned my protein skimmer off.
 
Dude, I noticed you have a lot of fish, a lot of friends, a lot of tanks, a lot of sea horses, a lot of videos, and a lot of stories.

My apologies if I am wrong and any support you need is available,

but to be clear..

You have a 55 gallon tank
You have mantis tank, which I am not clear if the grouper and other guy are in there or not
You have a temporary tank you referred to
You have a tank at the office, is that the mantis tank?
You have an octopus tank
You have a guy you traded fish with set up by a LFS
You have a friend that has a pool aquarium. Love to see that
You had a remora and other uncommon fish.

While entertaining, I would suggest a more methodical approach and address 1 issue at a time if you truly want to learn

Again, my apologies if you are just trying to learn, or

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This is the most entertaining post I’ve seen in a long time! Seriously?!? A remora? That’s just... wow.

If you’re legit with all of this, I’m both astounded at the awesome fish you’ve acquired, and disappointed in the way you’re treating them... I mean, to each... I guess... but there’s got to be a better way to take care of these little guys.
 
Entertaining read this was lol. You have to upload videos on YouTube then add a link for the forum.[/QUOTE

Yeah do this! Easiest way to shut up us naysayers lol. If anything, you've made me feel less irresponsible for prematurely adding coral to my nuvo 20 this week
 
Do you have a protein skimmer? Any phosphate removal media. What kind of flow do you have in the tank? Is there any areas that are stagnant without flow? You may have an abundance of detritus accumulating somewhere causing the levels to rise.vacuuming the sand, water changes, monitoring the amount t of food introduced into the tank can all help. What do you have for a cleanup crew? I would first start with with a good water change and cleaning of the sand bed. Check for flow in a variety of areas in the tank. Throw away those api test kits and try something like salifert maybe a hanna checker. Always use rodi water. You might even want to invest in one yourself that way you know the quality of the water you're getting.
 
You're not just guilty of overstocking. I'm not trying to be mean here, but you're the patron saint of overstocking.

Simply put, your tank is heading for a major and expensive crash. Your 9 seahorses by themselves are really too much for your tank. In addition to that, you have:

  • A walking batfish (75 gallon minimum)
  • A Fu Manchu lionfish (30 gallon minimum, but heavy bioload)
  • A "few damsels here and there" (two or three would be too many, depending on what type they are)
  • 2 small tangs (you should have 0 tangs in a tank that size - tangs need a lot of swimming room, and the least demanding need at least a 75g tank)
  • 2 moonies (are these cape moonies/kitefish? If so, okay to have one in a tank your size... two is overkill)
  • A combtail blenny (30 gallon minimum, so this one is fine)
  • A lyretail anthias (Do best in schools of at least 3-4, and they need a lot of swimming space... 125 gallon minimum)
  • A firefish (generally fine)
  • A pygmy wrasse (probably fine)
  • 3 (3!) leopard wrasses (You really shouldn't have any of these in a tank that's only 7 months old. They're very finicky eaters and require an extremely robust population of pods to survive. 3 in a tank your size would decimate your pod population and begin slowly starving to death)
  • A foxface (Depending on the species, 70-125 gallon tank)
  • A cowfish (Depending on the species, 90-250g minimum for one of these
  • Not to mention, 9 seahorses
You have way too many fish in there, many of which require a tank much bigger than yours. The reason you can't get your nitrates down is because you have a massive nitrate factory in the form of 27+ fish, plus all the food that goes along with them. You can get away with that kind of a bioload in a larger tank, because you have an equally larger amount of live rock + filtration equipment to process those wastes. In a 55 gallon, though, there simply isn't enough room to grow bacterial cultures large enough to denitrify all the wastes. The bacteria that convert ammonia to nitrite, and nitrite to nitrate - those can grow pretty much anywhere in your tank, and they'll size up - to a point - to at least prevent the worst wastes from building up. The bacteria that process nitrate, however, are anaerobic - they only have so many places to grow (mostly in the deep crevices of your live rock). In a 55g, you don't have much space for them to grow, so with a bioload like yours, nitrates are just going to accumulate, and quickly.

Found an old thread on another forum that gave some rough numbers: An adult yellow tang would create approximatley 22 ppm of nitrate per day. You have at least 7 fish in your tank that can produce the equivalent (cowfish, foxface, anthias, two tangs, lionfish, batfish), plus 20+ more that are going to be producing some significant fraction of that. So each day, your tank is producing probably 200-300 ppm of nitrate, if not more. And without enough space to grow sufficient denitrifying bacteria, the only place for that nitrate to go is your protein skimmer (probably not sized large enough to process that much waste) and your overall water.

Simply put, you need to reduce what you have in your tank, or else Mother Nature will reduce it for you. Rehome as many of your large fish as possible - the cowfish, the anthias, the foxface, the tangs, and the batfish all need a bigger tank. The seahorses really need their own dedicated tank where you can set things up to be more friendly to their needs. So, take out those fish and you're down to 12 fish, none of which are too big on their own for your tank. I'd try and fine a new home for the three leopard wrasses - your tank isn't mature enough to provide for them, and three is probably too many for your tank. Now you're down to 9. Probably rehome one or both of the moonies. Now you're at 7-9 (depending on how many damsels you have), which is much more reasonable for a tank that size.

For reference, I have the same size tank as you. I have 5 fish in it: a pink skunk clown, a ruby-headed fairy wrasse, a carpenter's flasher wrasse, a flametail blenny, and a chalk basslet. My nitrates hover between 3-10 ppm, and I feed pretty heavy. For optimal health in your reef, you want nitrates below about 20. Above that and sensitive organisms start having problems - the corals you've lost probably couldn't handle the nitrates. Fish tend to be more resilient, but even they will start to show signs of distress after extended exposure.
Holy cow! I should have read further before answering with my first post! His tank is populated like times square on New year's eve! He needs 3 times the tank for all that mess. Definitely needs those seahorses out of there. No way I would ever have seahorses mixed in with my normal tank. That is a lot of money waiting to go be flushed down the toilet. Theres no way it will ever sustain a proper habitat for that amount of load. Plus the fish got to be stressed because they haven't any space for themselves.
 

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