Nitrites for dayyys

[reefin_with_the_fam]

So this is the first time I’ve cycled a tank this large, and fishless, and with ammonia chloride. I added the ammonia last Monday then Fritz Turbostart 900 last Thursday. Currently as it stands: ammonia has been 0 since Saturday but nitrites have been about 2-5ppm since Saturday as well. I’m reading this means the cycle could be stalled? If so how do I “restart” it back on track? My tank size is 150g display with about a 58g sump. Let me know if you need any other pieces to finish the puzzle.
thanks in advance!

 

[piranhaman00]

So this is the first time I’ve cycled a tank this large, and fishless, and with ammonia chloride. I added the ammonia last Monday then Fritz Turbostart 900 last Thursday. Currently as it stands: ammonia has been 0 since Saturday but nitrites have been about 2-5ppm since Saturday as well. I’m reading this means the cycle could be stalled? If so how do I “restart” it back on track? My tank size is 150g display with about a 58g sump. Let me know if you need any other pieces to finish the puzzle.
thanks in advance!

I always find it takes longer for the NO2 to turn to NO3 than NH4 to NO2. Just be patient, do not add more ammonia You can always dump in more bacteria but its not necessary. Do you know your ammonia at the start?

 

[brandon429]

Your cycle is done, Fritz is a one day cycling product. Nitrite doesn’t factor in cycling, since hardly any nitrite testers read accurately due to nitrate cross reading. You’re guaranteed to have nitrate, even if your test doesn’t show them, since you’ve added nitrifers.

if you added a starting cleanup crew or whatever you are starting with they’d live

if you did a full water change which exports all the added bac, leaving only bac on surfaces, they’d still live. Don’t forget this was a one day cycling product you’ve paid heavy for, they work. It feels strange to buck the old rules of cycling, but we have indeed in the hobby.

no matter what you can find on video nitrite does not factor in cycling I think we are up to 200 cycle examples linkable for the claim. old rules of cycling are vanquished.

change as much water as you are willing to change, then go.

how does MACNA convention get 500 instant reef tanks ready for a same start date, with no variance. What I’m typing sounds crazy but we can measure it ten different ways for proof.

 

[bjc451]

Don’t even test. Just wait 20 days and you are cycled.

 

[reefin_with_the_fam]

I always find it takes longer for the NO2 to turn to NO3 than NH4 to NO2. Just be patient, do not add more ammonia You can always dump in more bacteria but its not necessary. Do you know your ammonia at the start?

it was about 5ppm

Your cycle is done, Fritz is a one day cycling product. Nitrite doesn’t factor in cycling, since hardly any nitrite testers read accurately due to nitrate cross reading. You’re guaranteed to have nitrate, even if your test doesn’t show them, since you’ve added nitrifers.

if you added a starting cleanup crew or whatever you are starting with they’d live

if you did a full water change which exports all the added bac, leaving only bac on surfaces, they’d still live. Don’t forget this was a one day cycling product you’ve paid heavy for, they work.

Lol I knew it was good stuff but I didn’t realize it was that good

 

[bjc451]

Your cycle is done, Fritz is a one day cycling product. Nitrite doesn’t factor in cycling, since hardly any nitrite testers read accurately due to nitrate cross reading. You’re guaranteed to have nitrate, even if your test doesn’t show them, since you’ve added nitrifers.

if you added a starting cleanup crew or whatever you are starting with they’d live

if you did a full water change which exports all the added bac, leaving only bac on surfaces, they’d still live. Don’t forget this was a one day cycling product you’ve paid heavy for, they work. It feels strange to buck the old rules of cycling, but we have indeed in the hobby.

no matter what you can find on video nitrite does not factor in cycling I think we are up to 200 cycle examples linkable for the claim. old rules of cycling are vanquished.

change as much water as you are willing to change, then go.

how does MACNA convention get 500 instant reef tanks ready for a same start date, with no variance

I am not familiar with Fritz

 

[piranhaman00]

Your cycle is done, Fritz is a one day cycling product. Nitrite doesn’t factor in cycling, since hardly any nitrite testers read accurately due to nitrate cross reading. You’re guaranteed to have nitrate, even if your test doesn’t show them, since you’ve added nitrifers.

if you added a starting cleanup crew or whatever you are starting with they’d live

if you did a full water change which exports all the added bac, leaving only bac on surfaces, they’d still live. Don’t forget this was a one day cycling product you’ve paid heavy for, they work. It feels strange to buck the old rules of cycling, but we have indeed in the hobby.

no matter what you can find on video nitrite does not factor in cycling I think we are up to 200 cycle examples linkable for the claim. old rules of cycling are vanquished.

change as much water as you are willing to change, then go.

how does MACNA convention get 500 instant reef tanks ready for a same start date, with no variance. What I’m typing sounds crazy but we can measure it ten different ways for proof.

I love your enthusiasm about cycling I see in threads like these

 

[brandon429]

Dr Reefs thread showed it to be the most viable bottle bac, search Fritz Turbostart 900 check the reviews, merely relaying patterns

Dr Reef used the full water change assessment to show it delivers bacteria to surfaces within a day or so. amazing, and costly.


I make the statements because people who sell bottle bac imply on the web and in videos many ways we stall bacteria, which prods us to buy more things


but I’m coming with a mountain of skip cycle links for the microbial misstaters and hobby Titans who sell bottle bac to people by implying we stall our cycles. lol a nerd war is unfurling

I don’t blame anyone for stating to wait for nitrite compliance, the people instructing us on cycle procedure have overstated its role and to buck the system isn’t welcome

cycles cannot stall says guy with links who loves challenging rules


what their instructions should say, which would sell less bottle bac:
if you are concerned your bottle bac has died in harsh shipping, only ammonia going down within 24 hours from a given start point matters in proofing, not attaining zero, your testers rarely show zero. No other params beyond ammonia movement are required to verify a cycle, and a 100% water change can not undo it no matter how many you run.

Nitrite regulating bacteria do take a while to build up. The reason we have instant reefs nowadays is because we know nitrite control doesn’t matter even when in deficit, it’s unimpactful to reefing. I like bottle bac products and have used them

They’re use once and wait the known activation time/can’t stall. If anyone wants proofing only ammonia movement is required

 

[reefin_with_the_fam]

Dr Reefs thread showed it to be the most viable bottle bac, search Fritz Turbostart 900 check the reviews, merely relaying patterns

Dr Reef used the full water change assessment to show it delivers bacteria to surfaces within a day or so. amazing, and costly.


I make the statements because people who sell bottle bac imply on the web and in videos many ways we stall bacteria, which prods us to buy more things


but I’m coming with a mountain of skip cycle links for the microbial misstaters and hobby Titans who sell bottle bac to people by misstated information about stalling, lol a nerd war is unfurling



cycles cannot stall


what their instructions should say, which would sell less bottle bac:
if you are concerned your bottle bac has died in harsh shipping, only ammonia going down within 24 hours from a given start point matters in proofing, not attaining zero, your testers rarely show zero. No others params beyond ammonia movement are required to verify a cycle, and a 100% water change can not undo it no matter how many you run.

Nitrite regulating bacteria do take a while to build up. The reason we have instant reefs nowadays is because we know nitrite control doesn’t matter even when in deficit, it’s unimpactful to reefing.

I read a lot of Dr. Reefs experiment on this. I knew it worked but I guess it’s almost hard to believe but isn’t at the same time. I mean we keep probiotic bacteria bottled for human use why not for fish. It’s definitely an impressive product. I got lucky though my LFS sells it for much cheaper than most online retailers and it’s refrigerated and obviously works. So I didn’t pay nearly as much as I thought I was going to

 

[brandon429]

Agreed

I feel making inflammatory claims about hobby masters trying to oversell us should come work work examples

this man here took the cycling rule book and flung it out the window

he didn’t give nitrite one second to comply before three hundred bucks in reef animals were put in lol

biospira is good bac but not as good as Fritz per the comparison thread: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/bio-spira-works-great.668674/

 

[brandon429]

We need fish disease protocols in place since all the old wait rules are tossed, to me that’s a responsible way to accept changes in the hobby but still control losses using best protocols of the day for fish disease prevention /fallow / qt system. The only anarchy I promote above is how to measure a cycle in ways that stop retail purchases unless required. If all nitrite testing stopped in the hobby and never resumed, it would have a zero impact on us cycling aquariums **even without using bottle bac**

All cycling charts on google use a dual axis measure where solving for time solves for nitrite measure, and the other two.

all we do is change much or all of water so that wastewater interference is removed from the equation and reefs line up with that time frame, or they are allowed to skip it altogether (above) if only ammonia is factored with instant bacteria.