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Im not new to this, I believe I have a good understanding of this reef game. But I seem to have major issues with nutrients in my tanks. I'm slowly working my way back to a tank again and am figuring out what I want and creating a plan for it.

But I have a question/issue arising. With the dismantle of my large tank, and most of my corals dying off, I only have a small 20 holding corals. NO FISH. Now the small corals in there are star polyps and zoas. Nothing I need to feed or do feed, just water changes. But once again I am having hair algae start up in this tank. WHY?!?

No nutrients in, nothing pooping, where is the excess coming from?
 
Same sand and rock, but cleaned. Rock was scrubbed in a bucket of clean salt water and sand was siphoned clean.


This has a hydra 26 had on it too for about 6 hours a day.
 
Im not new to this, I believe I have a good understanding of this reef game. But I seem to have major issues with nutrients in my tanks. I'm slowly working my way back to a tank again and am figuring out what I want and creating a plan for it.

But I have a question/issue arising. With the dismantle of my large tank, and most of my corals dying off, I only have a small 20 holding corals. NO FISH. Now the small corals in there are star polyps and zoas. Nothing I need to feed or do feed, just water changes. But once again I am having hair algae start up in this tank. WHY?!?

No nutrients in, nothing pooping, where is the excess coming from?
algae will live on nothing.
 
What type of filtration? (I'm full of questions. Lol) Hope we can come up with a possible solution.


Ask away! There isn't much as it is a "holding tank" lol. Well suppose to be anyway, then a coral QT later. Filteration is just a hob filter with cleaning pad and phosphate pad. Not the best, but what I have. Then water changes and top off with ro/di at 0 tds.

I'm worried I'm going to restart the big tank and have the same disastrous results.

There is another tank, 40b with all new rock that was acid dipped and bought cycled. This is where my fish are at. Fish only, no lights. But ZERO algae in there in the same amount of time with a power head and only water changes.
 
I'm worried I'm going to restart the big tank and have the same disastrous results.
its becoming my opinion that folks are so over concentrated about pests, they only use bayer for dips. forgetting that dips like coral rx iodine and revive also target algaes. check out the help algae threads in the last month. :eek:
if you clean the corals w either a light peroxide or revive and get them back into the 20, the algae should fade. yes iodine and peroxide are harsh from coral to coral but administer lightly or use you judgement on what one to use on what. nip it in the bud now and the big tank should be fine. I've really been thinking about posting a rant on algae dips and coral qt lately.
 
It's not about pests like bugs or anything. I just always seem to battle some sort of algae. Then there are other tanks I see that are always algae free. Just trying to figure out the issue and try to avoid it next time.
 
It's not about pests like bugs or anything. I just always seem to battle some sort of algae. Then there are other tanks I see that are always algae free. Just trying to figure out the issue and try to avoid it next time.

yup. this
folks are so over concentrated about pests, they only use bayer for dips. forgetting that dips like coral rx iodine and revive also target algaes.
pests are pests. bugs or algaes. it seems common now. folks dont dip for alge. just bugs.
 
yup. this

pests are pests. bugs or algaes. it seems common now. folks dont dip for alge. just bugs.
So true. Algae doesn't need anything to grow on, as @saltyfilmfolks says, even the corals you have in there are producing stuff during the course of life, even enough for algae to grow on; we just don't measure those levels of "stuff".
Only way to fix that are some sorta harsh treatments, but I am going through the same thing and paying the price. I'm going to have to be careful with H202 as well; used a little too much today and corals closed up. Been down that road before thankfully, so I know they will be fine tomorrow, but be careful what you do... One thing I am trying is using a really old canister filter with pure mechanical filtration in it and nothing else, then physically cutting or scrubbing the algae, suctioning it out with the canister and returning water to the DT, then using H202 to target the anchors of the algae, spot targeting with H202, then turning my powerheads on the spot to make the anchor let go, and keep cleaning my mechanical filters every couple of days. Sucks doesn't it? I know you know what you are doing, you stated, "all new rock that was acid dipped and bought cycled. This is where my fish are at. Fish only, no lights. But ZERO algae in there." The rock was acid dipped, the current tanks' rock was not. That is where you carried the algae, so in the DT for future, ideally what you do:
is get some live sand,
wash it until it is clear.
Get some regular ol rock that has been cleaned with an acid, or this time use some muriatic acid on the LR you have. That is such a pain I know, but it kills the algae where not a lot else will. Also helps with initial phosphate levels of the new tank, as it strips the stored up PO4 from the surface anyway,
or buy brand new dry rock, doesn't matter, add that to DT.
Dip all frags with iodine before transferring, but also ideally, start that process now as was stated, to kill everything, but with a couple of dips in iodine, you can use less iodine to cause less damage to corals. Also some minor H2O2 treatments, but spot treatments so you can dose less per day. Have to do it daily though, at least almost daily, to kill the algae on that frag now so it doesn't transfer to new DT.
Start a tank new with ammonia cycling and the live sand. You know how to do this, but I think you like shrimp cycling, right? either way, cycle a new tank, add only stuff you have dipped in iodine and cleaned with peroxide. Then you have a chance. Try adding an ATS from the get go, that will really help. Then stay on top of any algae you do see in the DT, and you'll be fine. o_O
 
I also seem to always have algae problems. If I have higher nutrients, I get algae. If I have lower nutrients, I get algae. I agree that the best option is an ats though.
 
Im not new to this, I believe I have a good understanding of this reef game. But I seem to have major issues with nutrients in my tanks. I'm slowly working my way back to a tank again and am figuring out what I want and creating a plan for it.

But I have a question/issue arising. With the dismantle of my large tank, and most of my corals dying off, I only have a small 20 holding corals. NO FISH. Now the small corals in there are star polyps and zoas. Nothing I need to feed or do feed, just water changes. But once again I am having hair algae start up in this tank. WHY?!?

No nutrients in, nothing pooping, where is the excess coming from?
Hey Rayn lets see if we can get a better understanding of this. It's early so bear with me!
First off here is today's site http://aquarium-fertilizer.com/nitrate-no3-and-phosphate-po4-dont-cause-algae-ammonia-does (odd grammar?)
You do have what it takes in that tank to grow algae it's the makeup of saltwater. Eliminate the algae spores, stolons, roots what ever it may be and you will never see it again. Well for the most part as you have not stated which algae you are growing out.
 
Well it doesn't seem to matter what algae. Usually it is hair algae and I thought I had a understanding of it and how to beat it, I have before. This last time was bryopsis I believe.

All my rock if ~7 years old and transferred from tank to tank with cleanings in between. They've been dried out, bleached, cycled and still issues. Only thing I haven't done is acid tip them. Some are cool, others are just porous rocks for stacking cooler rocks on...maybe it's time for new rock?

I've debated a ats numerous times, but haven't had room for one, maybe I will build a spot in for one this time. Probably my best tank was one with a remote low flow fuge, but we moved and the tank never got a chance to mature. That is a possibility again.

I have always cycled with shrimp, just a easily available option that works. Is a bottled ammonia source better? Am I starting off on the wrong foot with shrimp?

Thanks for be help everyone too!
 
Well it doesn't seem to matter what algae. Usually it is hair algae and I thought I had a understanding of it and how to beat it, I have before. This last time was bryopsis I believe.

I've debated a ats numerous times, but haven't had room for one, maybe I will build a spot in for one this time. Probably my best tank was one with a remote low flow fuge, but we moved and the tank never got a chance to mature. That is a possibility again.

I have always cycled with shrimp, just a easily available option that works. Is a bottled ammonia source better? Am I starting off on the wrong foot with shrimp?

Thanks for be help everyone too!
I'd try the ATS option; it works. Also great nutrient removal method. Shrimp method works well too, it just takes too long IMO. I used to do it, but now I prefer the ammonia method. Just simpler and easier. Not starting on the wrong foot at all with shrimp, just a different method. Might as well stick with what you know, since you are trying to keep algae transfer from occurring...
As for new rock, it may be time... Otherwise, just get some muriatic acid at Lowe's and some tubs and put your rock in it. AKA HCl, or hydrochloric acid, so be careful, wear eye protection and a breathing mask. Stuff is nasty. Then rinse it well and keep in some salt water mix with GFO or another phosphate remover and circulate the water. That gets a lot of the nutrient sink out of the rocks. I imagine that what is happening is that over 7 years, your rock has become a nutrient sink, and every time you set it up new, it releases the PO4 and NO3 and you start getting algae before your tank has even established a bacterial count high enough to compete. Makes cycling harder. I think time for some new base rock, and just acid wash your cool rocks.
 
its becoming my opinion that folks are so over concentrated about pests, they only use bayer for dips. forgetting that dips like coral rx iodine and revive also target algaes. check out the help algae threads in the last month. :eek:
if you clean the corals w either a light peroxide or revive and get them back into the 20, the algae should fade. yes iodine and peroxide are harsh from coral to coral but administer lightly or use you judgement on what one to use on what. nip it in the bud now and the big tank should be fine. I've really been thinking about posting a rant on algae dips and coral qt lately.
do it!
 

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