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Seems stupid but I can't get my leathers to open.

Just some background on me and the tank. I've been keeping reefs since mid 90's. I've had tanks of all sorts, from soft coral to mixed to straight SPS. I had to close my business a few years ago and sold off my big tank for a simple (cheap) setup. One that required little work, and worked with my limited finances.

Tank was setup for around 2 years now. It's a 18 x 18 cube tank, around 25 gal. It's a marineland rr tank.

Sump is a 10gal glass tank I used marineland brand silicone to glue acrylic baffles in.

Tank has a 1.5"-2" SB made from Caribsea fine sand, not oolite but close.

Tank has one of goochs ceramic rocks in it, and one fist size piece of LR in the sump. There's also a couple small pieces of LR in the display I used to seed the tank.

Skimmer is a Warner Marine I bought from Mojo on R2R.

I run a BRS dual reactor with their high output GFO and liginite low dust carbon. Carbon is changed biweekly along with the GFO.

I was using bio pellets in a reactor but stopped them last week to see if it helped my problem. Saw no change in system with or without them.

Lighting is a current 18" 6 bulb t5 fixture with a mix of bulbs, changed every 6 months or so.

I run mag 5 return pump, and run a closed loop through a chiller using an external Ehiem 1262. No internal power heads.

I was using Oceanic salt but switched to reef crystals for my last 2 water changes. I try to do water changes every week end but don't always get it in so just say biweekly.

I have two heaters in sump.

I think that pretty much covers the equipment side of things.

Livestock is 3 clowns, a mated pair and juvenile, they've been in the tank together since it was set up. Coral wise I have a bunch of softies, nepthea, sinularia, cladiella, Xenia, etc. I also have a clam, and small acan frag. 5 astreas, a dozen stomatellas, and some dozens of tiny snails that look like tiny astreas.

The leathers are 5 smallish Ora green polyped leathers, 3 small Ora long polyp leathers, and another leather I bought from the LFS that was wild. The leathers in whole stopped opening about 2 months ago, day or night doesn't matter. The green polyped ones will open each maybe one day a week, the long polyped have not opened in a few months, and the wild one shows polyps a few time a week. There is no rotting or falling over, they appear healthy but lack extension. This is very bothersome to me and I am at the point where I can't get it right. They will eventually perish if I can't get to the bottom of this.

Parameters are all with in normal range, fish are fine, all other corals are fine.

Any clues?
 
I have noticed my leathers slough off when my Alk is high, I have been raising my levels slowly from 5dKh to closer to 8 and although the SPS in my tank are showing better signs of growth my leathers, all but my FIJI Yellow seem to not care for the consistently higher alk level. What test kit are you using for your ALK
 
Ditch the GFO and the bio pellets. No need for all that with a softy tank IMO. Especially no need for biweekly GFO replacement. Unless your are overrun with algae then stop anything unnecessary. Skimmer liverock and random water flow is all that's needed.

Are you dosing anything at all?
 
I dose kalk through my ATO.

I turned the bio pellet reactor off over a week ago and haven't noticed a difference, the problem is defiantly not a ulns issue.
 
I use Red Sea pro kits that BRS recommended. I have other kits around as well. This is a very basic tank with some very basic/easy corals. Not sure what's going on though...

I'll try to snap a pix to share tonight.
 
This is a very basic tank with some very basic/easy corals.

This is my point. You probably don't need to run Kalk, biopellets, gfo or anything except a skimmer, live rock, good water movement and water changes.
 
Why would running a tank with carbon, kalk or GFO prevent my leathers from opening?

I feed my fish heavy, and to prevent HA from growing need to run GFO. The bio pellets have been off the system a few weeks now with no change. The carbon definitely helps with all the softies in the small tank.

Thanks for the replies though, I appreciate the thoughts!
 
Why would running a tank with carbon, kalk or GFO prevent my leathers from opening?

Maybe it isn't? Just taking a shot in the dark here from what I've read about your tank.

I'm just assuming that all your parameters are good but one of them out of whack could be causing the problems too. Could also be a pest like a crab or a fish irritating them.

Are you testing for phosphates with a low range meter? If you're changing out GFO biweekly you could be stripping the water of nutrients that the corals need. It can happen, I've done it in my tank, GFO is powerful stuff. Even when I was using GFO I used way less than the recommended amount or the water would get too clean.

How much kalk are you using in your ATO and why are you using it to begin with? Kalk adds calcium and alkalinity to the water that hard corals and clams use up. Soft corals don't use much calcium or alkalinity so you might be dosing something that isn't needed, especially since you switched to Reef Crystals which has higher levels than IO.

Anytime I have problems with my tank I back off on all the unneeded stuff, get back to basics and go from there.

Just my opinion but if it was my tank I would remove the GFO, Kalk, biopellets and cut back on feeding. Test water parameters every day for a while (especially alk and calcium) to see if any is even being used. If you test your alk everyday and get the same number then there is no need to add kalkwasser. If you test and your alk drops everyday then use kalk to maintain it but start off slow and increase if needed.

Again I don't know your actual parameters so I'm just assuming that they are all in line.
 
I would question if it is related to a salt change. Maybe try a water change with your old salt mix and see if it helps.
 
FWIW I think the problem really started when I added a new type of leather to the mix. The ORA green polyped and long poylped were my existing corals at that point. I added a wild one (yes I do dip first) and the issues started up. I moved it a few weeks ago to the other side of the tank, the Xenia near where I moved t crashed and the smaller Ora green polyped leather near the new location has stopped opening. This problem has been going on for months and although the leathers are not dying they are not thriving.

The tank has no been using bio pellets for a while now. I still continue GFO and carbon since I had and still do have, small bits of hair algae I feel this shows me I am not over doing it. After all these years of reef keeping I have a good feel and handle on my water parameters.

This is why I have always leaned towards a predator. I have viewed the tank many nights different times, I removed a crab a month or so ago. I have tiny snails but never see them on the leathers.

So have got to the point that I feel it is possibly chemicals warfare between the different leathers corals, but wonder if that was the case why wouldn't it effect the other corals in the system?
 
i was thinking warfare as well, how often u change your carbon? carbon should clear that up
whats your nitrate levels?
 

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