ONE CLOUDY EYE ICH IN DT

[Steve Blum]

I RECENTLY PURCHASED A 6 INCH BLUE FACE ANGEL, AND AN ANNULARIS ANGEL, THEY WERE TOO BIG FOR MY QT SO I PUT THEM IN MY DT. THE FISH STRESSED EVERYONE IN THE DT, THEY CAME DOWN WITH ICH, Y ASFUR ANGEL HAS BLOTCHES OF WHITE ON HIS PECTORAL FIN THE BLUE FACE HAS 1 CLOUDY EYE, THE ASFUR, QUEEN ANGEL AND MY TUSK FISH ARE SCRATCHING A LITTLE NO OTHERS ARE AFFECTED, I KNOW THESE PROBLEMS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH ICH. I HAVE BEEN TREATING WITH COPPERSAFE ABOUT 5 DAYS, I BROUGHT THE COPPER LEVEL UP SLOWLY BECAUSE ANGELS AND WRASSES ARE SUSCEPTABLE TO COPPER, THE FISH ARE STILL SCRATCHING BUT IT HAS DECREASED, HOWEVER TODAY THE BLUE FACED DEVELPED A CLOUDY EYE, THE OTHER EYE IS AS CLEAR AS CAN BE

NEED ADVICE AS WHAT I SHOULD DO, AND WILL THE CLOUDY EYE IMPROVE, AND SHOULD I BE DOING ANYTHING ELSE

 

[nereefpat]

Cloudy eyes can simply be a symptom of a sick fish. It is common to see cloudy eyes with flukes, so possibly treating with prazi after the copper might be a good idea. I would stay the course with copper and observe for now.

Hopefully you have a really large tank. That's a lot of angels.

 

[Steve Blum]

Cloudy eyes can simply be a symptom of a sick fish. It is common to see cloudy eyes with flukes, so possibly treating with prazi after the copper might be a good idea. I would stay the course with copper and observe for now.

Hopefully you have a really large tank. That's a lot of angels.

MY TANK IS 180 GALLONS, I WILL BE PURCHASING A 240 G AFTER THIS COVID-19 IS DONE. I HAVE 5 ANGELS IN MY TANK ALL GET A LONG NICELY, NOT MUCH AGRESSION, NLY CRAP COMES FROM MY QUEEN. I APPRECIATE YOUR ADVICE, IT WAS VERY HELPFUL.ON THE PRAZI, CAN I USE IT WITH COPPERSAFE? I CHECKED MY TANKTHIS AM, NONE OF THE FISH WERE SCRATCHING, FISH WERE PRETTY NORMAL, OTHER THAN THE BLUE FACE HAVING ONE CLOUDY EYE, LAST NIGHT I PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATED HYPOSALINITY, IT IS HARD TO DO, RESULTS ARE MIXED, THEIR ARE SEVERALB STRAINS OF ICH THAT DOES NOT AFFECT THEM, IF YOUR LEVEL GOES OVER 1.009 YOU MUST RESTART THE CLOCK, PH IS HARD TO MAINTAIN.

I KINDLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR INFORMATION YOU SEEM TO BE THINKING OF ALL ASPECTS OF THE PROBLEM.

STEVE

 

[nereefpat]

You're welcome.

I have used prazi along with Copper Power, but only for a few days in a hospital tank.

 

[Steve Blum]

You're welcome.

I have used prazi along with Copper Power, but only for a few days in a hospital tank.

I DOSED WITH PRAZI THIS MORNING BECAUSE ALL THE ANGEL 5 HAD 1 CLOUDED EYE, LIKE YOU SAID ANGELS ARE SUSCEPTABLE TO FUKES AND PERHAPS IT WAS NOT ICH, ONLY MY QUEEN DID NOT HAVE A CLOUDED EYE. WHEN I DOSED THE PRAZI EVERY FISH WENT CRAZY SCRATCHING EVEN MY TUSK IT LASTED ABOUT 5 MINUTES, THEN IT SEEMEDLIKE THEY WENT INTO SHOCK AND JUST STAYED IN ONE PLACE, AFTER A HALF OUR THE FISH ARE SLOWLY COMING OUT OF IT. I ADDED SEACHEM84 AS A BUFFER AS YOU CAN'T OVERDOSE, I WAS AFFRAID THE TREATMENT WOULD DROP THE PH.

QUESTION, ALL THAT SRATCHING FOR 5 MINUTES DOES IT INDICATE IT WAS FLUKES NOT ICH AND THE TREATMENT WAS SHAKING TYE FLUKES OFF?

 

[Hydrored]

Do you have a picture? Are you sure it's not Velvet? Also, did you dose copper to the display?

 

[Steve Blum]

Do you have a picture? Are you sure it's not Velvet? Also, did you dose copper to the display?

I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE, THIS TIME I DID NOT QT, THE 2 ANGELS I ADDED WERE 5-6 INCHES MY QT 30 G NOT VIG ENOUGH. I DID ADD COPPERSAFE, ABOUT 5 DAYS AGO BROUGHT THE LEVEL UP OVER A COUPLE OF DAYS, A FEW DAYS LATER THE FISH WERE STILL SCRATCHING, AND THEN ONE ANGEL GOT A CLOUDY EYE, TODAY 4 OF MY 5 ANGELS HAD 1 CLOUDY EYE, MADE ME SUSPECT IT WAS FLUKES AS ANGELS ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO FLUKES, ONLY THE ANGELS HAVE 1 CLOUDY EYE

MANY THANKS.

STEVE

 

[Hydrored]

I'm not sure on the timeline from when you added the fish to showing signs, in my experience if it was quickly you may be dealing with velvet. Ich is slower and takes time to show signs, velvet hits like a freight train and caused my fish to have cloudy eyes quickly.

 

[nereefpat]

Copper will also cover velvet. What level is the copper at, in ppm?

 

[Steve Blum]

I ADDED A HARLEQUIN 3 WEEKS AGO AND THE NEW ANGELS, ABOUT 10 DAYS

I'm not sure on the timeline from when you added the fish to showing signs, in my experience if it was quickly you may be dealing with velvet. Ich is slower and takes time to show signs, velvet hits like a freight train and caused my fish to have cloudy eyes quickly.

I ADDED THE HARLEQUIN ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, AND I ADDED THE BLUE FACE AND ANNULARIS ABOUT 8-10 DAYS AGO. I AM USING COPPERSAFE AND PRAZI. IF IT IS ICH OR VELVET I SHOULD BE COVERED, IF IT IS FLUKES I AM ALSO COVERED, I THOUGHT IT WAS ICH, I SAW A FEW SPOTS ON THE ANNULARIS, HOWEVER IT IS NOT SO EASY TO SEE ICH. THIS MORNING THE ANGELS AND HARLEQUIN WERE SCRATCHING AND I NOTICED FOUR OF THE 5 ANGELS HAD ONE CLOUDY EYE, I DOSED WITH PRAZI THE ALL WERE ITCHING HELL HELL, AFTER 5 MINUTES IT STOPPED, NO MORE SCRATCHING AT ALL. TWO THINGS IT MIGHT BE IS FLUKES OR TOO MUCH COPPER FOR THE ANGELS.

GIVE ME YOUR OPINION?

THANKS FOR REPLYING, IT IS SO NICE OF YOU.

STEVE

 

[Steve Blum]

I AM QUITE CONCERNED JMY ASFUR HAS A SLIGHT FRAYED PECTORAL FIN, NO OTHERS HAVE THIS, 1 EYE IS CLOUDED ON 4 OF THE 5 ANGELS, I ADDED PRAZI, THEY SHOOK THEIR HEADS AND SCRATCHED BUT IT STOPPED, THIS AFTERNOON, THE STARTED SCRATCHING AND SHAKING THEIR HEADS AGAIN.

HOW LONG BEFORE THIS BEHAVIOR STOPS?

WILL THE FRAYED FIN REPAIR ITSELF? I AM NOT KEEN ON ADDING ANTIBIOTICS, IT WILL DESTROY MY BIOFILTER IN MY DT.

ANY SUGGESTIONS?

 

[pdxmonkeyboy]

Frayed fins can be caused by over utilization of the caps lock key.

ALL CAPS IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO READ.

Good luck on the angels. Would love to have an angel dominated tank.

 

[Steve Blum]

Frayed fins can be caused by over utilization of the caps lock key.

ALL CAPS IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO READ.

Good luck on the angels. Would love to have an angel dominated tank.

SORRY ABOUT THAT BUT IN LIFE EVERYTHING HAS AN EXPLANATION.

8 YEARS AGO I HAD A STROKE, IT AFFECTED MY VISION AND DEXTERITY. IT IS VERY HARD FOR ME TO GO BACK AND FORTH FROM LOWER CASE TO CAPS, SO I LEAVE IT ON CAPS. HOWEVER MADE UP THIS RIDICULOUS NOTION CAPS WAS YELLING SHOULD BE EXECUTED, IT IS A SLAP IN THE FACE OF THE DISABLED, HE NEVER CONSIDERED ANYONE BUT HIMSELF

 

[pdxmonkeyboy]

Well that is a bummer. The whole all caps thing is yelling because people type in all caps to emphasize things. Anyways..

What software or computer do you use to post messages on the forum? Most software systems have an auto capitalization feature that you just have to turn on or off. That seems like it would be great for someone in your situation.

 

[Steve Blum]

Well that is a bummer. The whole all caps thing is yelling because people type in all caps to emphasize things. Anyways..

What software or computer do you use to post messages on the forum? Most software systems have an auto capitalization feature that you just have to turn on or off. That seems like it would be great for someone in your situation.

I HAVE AN HP LAPTOP, I T HAS A CAP LOCK SO I USE THAT, UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T TPE TO EASILY, JUST TAKES ME MORE TIMEAND I OFTEN HIT MORE THAN ONE KEY, BUTAT LEAST I CAN FUNCTION, NOT EVERYONE IS THAT LUCKY

TAKE CARE MY FRIEND
'WAS NOT YOUR FAULT YOU COULD HAVE NOT KNOW. SPEAKS HIGHLY OF YOUR CHARACHTER TO RESPOND

STEVE

 

[pdxmonkeyboy]

Well, if you use google chrome as your browser, you can down load a plug-in that will auto correct your misspelling and auto capitalize things. Again, not a huge deal or anything but hey, if it make you feel more normal or whatever.. Just thought I would pass it along. My father died of a massive stroke last year

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/spell-bee/dfbnahffpakjbdlccohcoglcnafhgnhm?hl=en-US

 

[Steve Blum]

Well, if you use google chrome as your browser, you can down load a plug-in that will auto correct your misspelling and auto capitalize things. Again, not a huge deal or anything but hey, if it make you feel more normal or whatever.. Just thought I would pass it along. My father died of a massive stroke last year

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/spell-bee/dfbnahffpakjbdlccohcoglcnafhgnhm?hl=en-US

VERY VERY SAD TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR FATHER, IT IS SO TERRIBLE. LOST MY MOTHER THATV WAY. IF IT IS ANY COMFORT YOUR DAD JI9GHTBHAVE NOTVEXPERIENCED PAIN.

WHEN I HAD MY STROKE IBDIDB NOT EVEN INOW. MY WIFE WAS A NURSE, SHE KNEW, CALLED AN AMBULANCE AND TOOK ME TO THE HOSPITAL, WHEN THEY TOLD ME I HAD A STROKE I THROUGH THEM OUT OF THE ROOM, A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER, I REALIZED SOMETHING WAS WRONG, I HAD TROUBLE SAYING CERTAIN WORDS, MY VISION SEEMED TO BE DIFFERENT, AND I WAS CLUMSY DOING THINGS IB USED TO. THEY GAVE ME SPEECH THEARAPY MY TALKING RETURNED BTO NORMAL, BUT NOT MY DEXTERITY. I WANTED TO DRIVE, I TOOK A TEST AT THE VA THEY TOLD KE I COULD NEVER DRIVE VAGAIN, BECAUSE MY BRAINB WAS AFFECTED AND I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO JUDGE DISTANCE OR LANES. I MADE MY WIFE TAKE ME OUT TO DRIVE, THE VA WAS VRIGHT I BCOUKLD NOT STAY ONNTHEBROAD, I HAVE NOT DRIVEN SINCEBTHEN. NOT SO GOOD TO BE DEPENDENT ON OTHERS.

IF I AM RIGHT YOUR DAD FELT NOTHING, I HOPE THAT IS OF SOME COMFORT TO YOU. DEATH IS ALWAYS DISTRESSING. I WAS A MARINE IN VIETNAM, HAD MANY OF MY FRIENDS DIE, IT AFFECTED ME INMANY WAYS, I STILL HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN THEM, I STILL SEE THYEIR FACES AND I MISS THEM VERY MUCH.

MY PARENTS ARE GONE AFTER AWGHILE BYOU ACCEPT IT BAND REMEMBER BTHEM EVERY DAY, ESPECIALLY THE GOOD MEMORIE OF THEM.

STAY SAFE THIS COVID WILL END

STEVE

 

[Steve Blum]

I HAVE ONE QUESTION I HAVE 5 ANGELS, FOUR OF THE HAVE A CLOUDY EYE.

WHY IS IT NOT IN BOTH EYES?