One growing white spot on a Regal Angel

[Voltaire81]

My regal has been in a 50 QT for 24 days now and in hypo for 20 days. Took about a week to finally eat but he's eating everything now including pellets.

Anyway, about a week ago, i noticed a small white spot on his body, probably one salt-like spot. Didnt think much of it, but it has doubled in size (maybe tripled) in the last week.

No other symptoms like scratching or heavy breathing.

Also, i had 3 fathead anthias in the QT with him that eventually died. No idea why either. It couldve been uronema but cant confirm so Ive been dosing metroplex for 11 days now (dose every 2 days).

Any idea what this is on the regal?

 

[melypr1985]

The fact that it's getting bigger is a big tell for me.

Lymphocystis:

Symptoms - Lymphocystis appears as a white or beige colored cauliflower-like growth that usually starts on the fins and spines and sometimes spreads to the body. Initially it may be small (looks like ich), and then grows in size (which is how you know it’s not ich). Lympho is a virus that many fish carry for life. Fortunately, it is rarely fatal or even harmful to the fish, and symptoms will come and go.

Treatment options - No known cure or treatment exists. However, feeding vitamin-enriched foods and maintaining pristine water conditions may expedite the “going away” process.

 

[Voltaire81]

Thanks @melypr1985 . I was hoping that was the case. Ive seen Lymphocystis before on my other fish which eventually went away but they were on the fins.

Anyway, thanks again.

 

[melypr1985]

Thanks @melypr1985 . I was hoping that was the case. Ive seen Lymphocystis before on my other fish which eventually went away but they were on the fins.

Anyway, thanks again.

Yes! Normally that's where you see it, but occasionally you'll find it on the body itself. As long as it doesn't grow over his mouth or gills, he'll be fine

 

[4FordFamily]

I've seen regals do this and then mysteriously die in a week, I never have figured out the culprit. I've long wondered if it was uronemia. It could just as easily be lymph as previously stated.

 

[melypr1985]

I've seen regals do this and then mysteriously die in a week, I never have figured out the culprit. I've long wondered if it was uronemia. It could just as easily be lymph as previously stated.

Really? I've never seen that before! I surely hope it's not that!!!

 

[4FordFamily]

Really? I've never seen that before! I surely hope it's not that!!!

Yeah they seem to deteriorate in that area over a few days and die after a week at the most. Towards the end it looks a lot like uronemia does in butterflies. I certainly hope that's not it, too.

The way that lone spot looks now I wouldn't worry. If it grows and looks more like uronemia I would be concerned, although I'm not sure it could be saved at that point.

Fingers crossed!

 

[Voltaire81]

Dang! That's not what I want to hear. I should've moved him after the first anthias died.

And finally had him eating pellets.

I hope it's lymph though. Will let you know in a few days.

 

[melypr1985]

Dang! That's not what I want to hear. I should've moved him after the first anthias died.

And finally had him eating pellets.

I hope it's lymph though. Will let you know in a few days.

Why dont you just go ahead and treat him for it? That way you've done everything possible to head it off. If it's not uronema then no problem.. he's just been dewormed in the process. If it is, then hopefully this does the trick!
Uronema marinum:

Symptoms - These are the red sores often seen on chromis damsels. The disease seems mostly confined to damsels and clownfish, but I have seen some exceptions to that.

Treatment options - This is a very difficult disease to treat. Possible treatment options include: Metronidazole (ex. Seachem MetroPlex), acriflavine (ex. Acriflavine-MS), Chloroquine phosphate and copper. The problem is the fish can never be returned to the infected tank from which it came. Uronema is a “free living” parasite which does not require a fish host. So, going fallow will not eradicate it. Most fish seem protected from it via their natural immune system; but for some reason, chromis and some other fish are not always afforded this protection. Once a tank has Uronema, it must be assumed that the disease can survive in there almost indefinitely.

Formalin bath or freshwater dip may provide temporary relief for Uronema.

 

[Voltaire81]

I have been. Maybe you missed my first post. It's been about 11 days dosing with metroplex dosing every other day.

Not sure if I should combine with anything else? I have copper and acriflavine also.

 

[melypr1985]

I have been. Maybe you missed my first post. It's been about 11 days dosing with metroplex dosing every other day.

Not sure if I should combine with anything else? I have copper and acriflavine also.

Didn't miss it! Just forgot lol. sorry about that. Well then I think you should be ok. Probably a good idea to move him to a sterile QT, but that's up to you. I really think it's just lymph, but 4ford has me doubting myself there.

 

[Humblefish]

Yeah they seem to deteriorate in that area over a few days and die after a week at the most. Towards the end it looks a lot like uronemia does in butterflies. I certainly hope that's not it, too.

Don't know if its related, but many butterflies will get these "red sores" on them that look similar to uronema. However, I assume it is a bacterial disease of some sort because the condition always responds to Nitrofuracin Green powder: http://store.nationalfishpharm.com/NFP-products-Nitrofuracin-Green-59584.Item.html

Might not be a bad idea to run the Regal thru 10 days of that just to play it safe.

 

[Voltaire81]

Don't know if its related, but many butterflies will get these "red sores" on them that look similar to uronema. However, I assume it is a bacterial disease of some sort because the condition always responds to Nitrofuracin Green powder: http://store.nationalfishpharm.com/NFP-products-Nitrofuracin-Green-59584.Item.html

Might not be a bad idea to run the Regal thru 10 days of that just to play it safe.

I have nitrofuracin green also.
Will it be safe to combine metroplex + nitrofuracin green while in 1.009?

 

[4FordFamily]

Don't know if its related, but many butterflies will get these "red sores" on them that look similar to uronema. However, I assume it is a bacterial disease of some sort because the condition always responds to Nitrofuracin Green powder: http://store.nationalfishpharm.com/NFP-products-Nitrofuracin-Green-59584.Item.html

Might not be a bad idea to run the Regal thru 10 days of that just to play it safe.

Good catch! Where does one buy this if your local LFS are useless?

 

[Voltaire81]

I bought mine at aquabid.com. Around 20 dollars for 50grams

 

[Humblefish]

I have nitrofuracin green also.
Will it be safe to combine metroplex + nitrofuracin green while in 1.009?

I've combined it with metro before, but I have little to no experience dosing meds under hypo conditions.

Good catch! Where does one buy this if your local LFS are useless?

You can buy it directly from here: http://store.nationalfishpharm.com/NFP-products-Nitrofuracin-Green-59584.Item.html

 

[Voltaire81]

Had this weird deja vu feeling then I realized that I asked you a similar question before.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/meds-during-hyposalinity.252452/

 

[Humblefish]

Sorry, I'm not a fan after reading about hypo resistant strains of ich.

I believe it was in a paper from Yambot written in 2003.

 

[Voltaire81]

Ah. I still perform ttm except for this group of fish because of the regal. I had 2 die in ttm after I got them eating so decided to try hypo.

 

[Voltaire81]

@Humblefish @melypr1985 - One more question about NFG. Do you normally change 25% of the water daily prior to dosing?