Orange spotted filefish! What corals are safe with it???

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Not trying to gaitkeep, but I think if you’re calling corals ‘acuporas’ and ‘blandos’, you’re probably not experienced enough to attempt to keep this fish.
Im sorry for mistyping Acropora and blamdos are a term in Spain! So if you haven't got any viable opinions keep them to yourself on that note I now have this fish which is eating mastick, frozen and pellets. You call me not experienced enough..
 
This is not the wild we are talking about and in a closed system, they are more apt to pecking on anything that provides a food source which in many cases is why they end up starving
Literally these and cow fish should not be sold in captivity due to lack of proper food source
I don’t think anyone is going to invest in SPS long term to provide a happy home for food source for any given fish
Over 3.5 decades in hobby and ive seen these two species die more than any other specimen
Their mouths literally can’t eat lps polyps, its like a straw with no upper/lower jaw that can be used to bite down. They can only ‘suck’. As im sure you are aware, eating lps flesh involves a fish biting the flesh and ripping it away. The osff is physically incapable of such a task. It could perhaps peck an lps coral to death, but if proper food training is provided they won’t bother. These fish should not be purchased without a fair amount of experience and a lot of research, but are definitely seeing an increased survival rate as food options have grown and more aquarists have gained experience meeting their needs. I have had 6 wild caught, totally untrained osff begin eating Masstick within minutes of arriving via overnight shipping. I only had 1 that did not. I believe this one was too starved already as it died in a couple of days most likely from starvation. A fast supply chain to get these fish in tanks as fast as possible would be the biggest benefit to their prospects.
I think they may be a few years away from being classified as expert only to an intermediate level of difficulty. Both my cb butterfly and multi-bar angel were significantly more challenging to get eating prepared foods.

There are many fish and coral once assumed to be impossible to keep that are now very common. We need to responsibly reevaluate as we continue to learn in the hobby.
 
Im sorry for mistyping Acropora and blamdos are a term in Spain! So if you haven't got any viable opinions keep them to yourself on that note I now have this fish which is eating mastick, frozen and pellets. You call me not experienced enough..
Many people without experience with a specific fish seem to feel the need to provide input based solely on anecdotes they may have read from others, or even to just repeat something someone else said who is just repeating something someone else said ad infinitum. In that situation, it is best if the person at least prefaces with “I don’t have personal experience, but what I have heard is…,”.
Definitely best to get first hand and current experiences if possible. What wasn’t possible 10 years ago might be commonplace now. My experience with these fish is that, as long as you are prepared to train them to eat prepared foods (Masstick seems to be irresistible to them) they are actually very hardy and easy fish. Frequent, high volume feeding is then really the only ‘special’ care requirement ongoing. This can easily be facilitated using an auto-feeder for those unable to feed frequently during working hours.
 
Many people without experience with a specific fish seem to feel the need to provide input based solely on anecdotes they may have read from others, or even to just repeat something someone else said who is just repeating something someone else said ad infinitum. In that situation, it is best if the person at least prefaces with “I don’t have personal experience, but what I have heard is…,”.
Definitely best to get first hand and current experiences if possible. What wasn’t possible 10 years ago might be commonplace now. My experience with these fish is that, as long as you are prepared to train them to eat prepared foods (Masstick seems to be irresistible to them) they are actually very hardy and easy fish. Frequent, high volume feeding is then really the only ‘special’ care requirement ongoing. This can easily be facilitated using an auto-feeder for those unable to feed frequently during working hours.
Years back you couldn’t get a cbb or moorish idol to eat and now they are far some of the easiest to feed
On spotted file, often they will eat and eventually shut down
They inhale their food and nip to obtain it.
no they can’t tear away flesh but via nipping will obtain anything in form of polyps, worms or other soft matter
 
Years back you couldn’t get a cbb or moorish idol to eat and now they are far some of the easiest to feed
On spotted file, often they will eat and eventually shut down
They inhale their food and nip to obtain it.
no they can’t tear away flesh but via nipping will obtain anything in form of polyps, worms or other soft matter
Not sure what you mean by shutdown? Mine are going on 15-16 months in my tank and are fat and happy. They don’t nip anything, just watch them eat soft pellets, if they can’t inhale it, they will peck at it until it falls apart enough so they can. I did see one eat a tiny worm once and it slurped it up like spaghetti. Their mouth is a tube. It is a single structure incapable of nipping. Nipping takes 2 pieces pulling apart and coming together. Their anatomy doesn’t support such a task. I’m not trying to argue, just trying to get accurate information to people seeking it. Perhaps your experience in-store didn’t give you the opportunity for long term up-close observation that helps to understand the feeding behavior of these particular fish. I can try to get some video later that demonstrates how they eat various types of food and gives a better look at their specialized mouths.
 
Im sorry for mistyping Acropora and blamdos are a term in Spain! So if you haven't got any viable opinions keep them to yourself on that note I now have this fish which is eating mastick, frozen and pellets. You call me not experienced enough..
Latin names are the same worldwide, I don’t know that I buy your blandos/‘blamdos’ excuse, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I gave you an opinion based on the very limited information you provided. You are very clearly not an experienced aquarist, there is nothing wrong with that, everyone was inexperienced at some point. The reason I brought up your inexperience is that we are talking about living animals, when you don’t have a lot of experience, taking on animals/specimens that are considered to be advanced, that don’t have a track record of doing well in captivity is irresponsible and unethical. Jumping into species or setups that are way above your experience level is just gambling with living animals.

In a hobby where you are responsible for the husbandry of living animals, it is best practice to slowly build upon your experience. It’s the same reason I don’t recommend sharks, or sea horses, or NPS corals to people who have been in the hobby for just a few months. I apologize if my comment was maybe a little snarkier than it could have been, but I stand by the underlying sentiment. I hope your OSFF does well, I really do, you’ve acquired the fish, so that’s all I can say.

But again, I stand by suggesting that you not try to keep species vastly outside of your experience level, and should this one meet the same fate as the last one, I would recommend against trying another.

With this new OSFF are you quarantining? Did you go fallow after the last ich outbreak? Did you quarantine all the new corals you’ve since added? Have you added other fish since? Depending on mastick alone isn’t viable longterm nutritional plan, I would definitely recommend getting some of this:


You should offer a variety of foods throughout the day (the need multiple, like 6-10 feedings a day). The Panta Rhei was not available the last time I tried to keep one of these (not was mastick), but I have heard fairly good things about it. Like you, I didn’t have a large, grown in SPS dominant reef, and while they (I had two) ate, and were fed a variety a minimum of six times a day, they only lived 4-5 months, and died of what I assume to be malnutrition or some sort of nutritional deficiency. Prepared foods (at the time at least) just weren’t adequate, and while the options are certainly better now, I don’t know that I’m convinced that OSFF can be kept healthy long term on prepared foods alone. I had around ten years of experience in keeping reef tanks at the time, and ethically was probably too inexperienced to be keeping them.

I understand that there have been advancements in the types of food available and in the collective understanding of these fish, and that they’ve been kept in captivity longterm, but that still doesn’t make them a beginner, or even moderate friendly species.

Many people without experience with a specific fish seem to feel the need to provide input based solely on anecdotes they may have read from others, or even to just repeat something someone else said who is just repeating something someone else said ad infinitum. In that situation, it is best if the person at least prefaces with “I don’t have personal experience, but what I have heard is…,”.
Definitely best to get first hand and current experiences if possible. What wasn’t possible 10 years ago might be commonplace now. My experience with these fish is that, as long as you are prepared to train them to eat prepared foods (Masstick seems to be irresistible to them) they are actually very hardy and easy fish. Frequent, high volume feeding is then really the only ‘special’ care requirement ongoing. This can easily be facilitated using an auto-feeder for those unable to feed frequently during working hours.
I have kept this species. I don’t think it is ethical to recommend advanced or difficult species to hobbyists who are very clearly inexperienced (especially species that have just recently started to be successfully kept long term in tanks that are not mature, grown-in, large SPS dominant reefs). It just strikes me as odd that no one recommended to the OP to maybe pump the breaks and consider the suitability of this species for their experience level, current setup, and/or the ability to provide the specific care requirements this species requires. It just seems like there is a trend in the hobby lately where husbandry and the longterm well-being of the animal takes a back seat to the wants or whims of the keeper, which IMO is backwards.
 
Fish that are shutting down don't tend to spawn in the display tank
Shut down in time and there are many aquarists that raise them successfully but failure rate very high
 
Fish that are shutting down don't tend to spawn in the display tank
Also note that this from one aquarist in 2016 who posted this.
Not sure what your point is as failure rate is quite high. I can account for several dozen who tried more than once and experienced shut down.
 
By nature, they feed on live corals as first choice and they generally dont stick to one coral but rather go coral to coral and nip.
There are a handful of persons over the years that were able to get them to feed on frozen/live food combo and not bother certain corals but I call this a risk
Are they fine in a anenome tank?
 

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