Out Dated Reef's

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Hey Guys-

Today I seen a post on Facebook about Out Dated Reef tanks? I thought I would bring somthing up and see what you all thought. I know there may have been similer threads, if there has, dont give me a hard time about it.

For the most part todays Reef Tanks are costing people on average more than a few hundred dollars to set up to what most people would consider a "working reef" system. But is it always needed to go and drop $750+ bucks on a 45 gallon tank to make sure that it runs and works easily? Most people are going to think "Wow! $750 is CHEAP compared to what I have dropped on my reef tank!" I know, I have had the same thought. But once again, do we really need to be spending ALL THIS MONEY on our tanks to get them fully functional?

The more I look at this and the more I think about it, the more I think that the products we are buying today, are literally hyped up junk to some point. Some of the products are totaly worth and and a great investment, Vortechs, Controllers, video systems, etc. But are some of those products really needed in the end when we think about it?

A few years ago, there was literally only a few products out there that most reefers would use to keep SPS corals.

Good Lighting
Skimmer
Filter
Way to keep water clean and stable(generally alot of carbon and consitant dosing)
Good Flow

But in todays world, that list would easily triple in size because of the products that are coming out. Are those other products really needed to keep these corals? No, not at all. I think that the more reefers sit and think about it, the more we see we are wasting our money, or well, I think. I also think by buying all of these extra products, we just to have to brag about. I dont think that half of the products that us reefers are buying now days are even worth us buying.

Back in 2004 I can remember that todays technology were the DREAMS of technology back then, now that we have it, we dont even apprechiate it for what its worth, which is why I think its wastefull for us to buy.

But my point of this is, we really dont need to buy all of this equiptment that is going to just add to the cost of reefing and add to the equiptment check list IMHO.

So, the other point of this thread is to see some of your guys OLD FASHION, reef tanks, with just the basics. I think our reefs thrive more on the basics than they do that of the money we put into them. Maybe its just me, but I have felt that since I have ignored my tank a tiny bit and laid back and just watched it with the basics, that my corals and fish have done A LOT better than when I was testing daily and daily water changes, etc.

So, if you have a basic system, please, post the pics, and if you have opinions on what I said, or think, please, post them, I dont want to start a fight, I just want to see what others are thinking about the new products that are coming out in todays hobby of reef keeping.

Thanks,
Austin
 
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Well honestly I don't know the old school ways. I have only been in the hobby three years but I think I run my tank the old school way just because of the money. I would rather spend it on corals and fish. I just rebuilt my reef after a crash. Just a simple 40 breeder, 20 long sump with an older skimmer that I modified a little. A bag of GFO and a bag of carbon. I dose daily with oceans blend 2 part. No reactors, no dosing pumps, no controller just timers. I have to do everything to the tank. Nothing is automated at all. I ran the old tank like that for a year before I tried to get complicated and add a second sump with a larger fuge and the fuge light fell in the sump and killed the system. I will probably add an auto top off with just a pump and a timer after doing some math to figure out my evaporation rate. But there will never be more then 3 gallons of freshwater connected to the tank so I wont be able to flood the system. I have never liked the complicated systems. K.I.S.S.
 
I am doing just that with my 14gal biocube and going on 3 weeks strong chalices loving life!!!! Sps has no change at all just chugging along and the same for my polyps just doing there thing.... It can be done cheap and easy will see in 6 months where it is but I'm sure it will be the best tank I have had this far....1smile1
 
I have had 3 tanks and all three were nano tanks with a HOB filter and a power head. All my tanks have had great growth. I have changed the lights on each tank a few different times; had LEDs, T5's, Metal halides, and power compacts. I have liked the T5's and halide the most so far.
 
Sweet guys! Im glad Im not the only old school style reef keeper!
 
I've always been old school, until just recently when I added a Aqua Controller JR and a ATO. Some of my best tanks that I have had were ran by a few Maxi Jet's and a Aqua C Remoa HOB skimmer....
 
All I've gotta say is I wish you guys could see my tank lol the only thing on it I didn't have back in the way back is a ph controller for my calcium reactor lol other than that OL' school baby it's worked for 9 years now why do it any different? Yes there are times I would like the convenience of a brand new apex or profilux or vortechs but every time I jump into my savings going ok I'm really getting it this time I always go I didn't need it then why do I now haha and I think overall I'm glad about the simplicity of my system :-)
 
Well I'm new to reef keeping and don't have all the high tech stuff and I don't think I will.partly due to the cost and partly cause I have problems trusting computers not to fail . And reading this thread just makes me want to k.I.s.s. all I run is a skimmer ,rocks and sand
 
I have had 3 tanks and all three were nano tanks with a HOB filter and a power head. All my tanks have had great growth. I have changed the lights on each tank a few different times; had LEDs, T5's, Metal halides, and power compacts. I have liked the T5's and halide the most so far.

+1 my nano does well with hob filter and lots of flow and regular water changes... only thing automated is the timers for the lights lol
 
I am loving this thread!! About 12ish years ago I took a long break from this hobby after keeping a 75g up and running for 5 years without a crash. HoB air powered skimmer, aqua clear hob filter, heater and power heads No sump no fancy skimmer, WC and top offs only when I felt like it, 4 x t12 bulbs etc. It was an all lps tank but things grew like crazy in there. Crappy pic but this is what it looked like before tear down
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FF to about 2 years ago I get the bug again, I did not have deep pockets but had more then back in the day so I set up another 75, tunze ato swc skimmer, ati lighting, fuge etc... The tank has been nothing but a pain in my butt to get it dialed in. The parameters have been all over the place, encrusting monti's barely survive in this tank, have had some success with some sps's, but things like ph etc have been hard to maintain. Even with gfo, light bioload, light feeding it has has had algae issues from day one. So then pet co has a buck per gallon sale. I tell myself ok, it's time to go old school. I set it up sumpless 40b , cpr hob skimmer, aqua clear hob, heater and one K#3 for added flow, basically stuff I had laying around collecting dust.. I never test this tank and it's only additive is a kalk drip when I feel like it. Well it seems that this tank is the best tank in the house coral health wise. The chalice's thrive, as well as everything else I have put in there including a few small sps frags. The ato is nice on the 75, but thinking I wasted a lot of money on that tank. Here is a bad pic of my newest "old school" tank. Only thing new school on it is the cheapest available 4 bulb t5 with ati bulbs. Sorry for the crappy pics but here it is, along with my bazooka joe with has grown 10 new eyes since being but in this tank, and I never target feed :tongue: It's a bit to crowded now though because I moved all my monti's over to get them healthy again.
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Also saved a lot of cash bye not buying substrate, more money to spend on nice frags!
 
Only think I have that is high tech is my light. I got in on an LED group buy and bought an LED fixture for $200 instead of buying $120 worth of new t5 bulbs. I have friends with bio pellets, calc reactors, crazy stuff all seem to have problems sometimes because they forget about the tank. If something is off just a hair it will eventually build up. The friend with the calc reactor just sold it and went back to dosing after he forgot about his calc reactor and he had an alk of like 20 calc at like 250. People rely on technology to much sometimes.
 
My tank is still in the old school ways, but by no means is it easier.. well sorta. I got into this hobby in 2002-2003, and my current 40Br still uses a lot of the basics. No skimmer, I use carbon, do 12% water changes, use an ATO with kalkwasser (No other dosing). I am even sumpless! I use an AC500 (The largest HOB filter they have), and store all my stuff in there. I use a RANCO temp controller (I don't have an all in one controller), and a pH monitor. Don't really plan on changing anything as it all suits me just fine. :)
 
Natural reefs are awesome!, but if you think about, I cycled my 100 gallon frag system and had corals in it in 2 weeks. Soon because of the apex and a couple cheap pumps, I won't even need to do a wc, and because of dosing pumps, I need to make a couple gallons of 2 part every couple weeks. Thanks to my skimmer, there are 2 cups of black stinky goop that are not in my water.
 
Natural reefs are awesome!, but if you think about, I cycled my 100 gallon frag system and had corals in it in 2 weeks. Soon because of the apex and a couple cheap pumps, I won't even need to do a wc, and because of dosing pumps, I need to make a couple gallons of 2 part every couple weeks. Thanks to my skimmer, there are 2 cups of black stinky goop that are not in my water.

I dont think technology helped you cycle your tank, if thats what your stating.

I still think when we automate our systems to the fullest that we can, we are only asking for problems. Controllers are fine, but when we start to add all these auto WC and things like that, I just see HUGE problems. Computers can fail so fast, technology dosent have a "brain" that says to do this and do that, its programed, if anything goes wrong in programing, you can have a messed up tank, fast.

Skimmers are fine to have aswell, I have one running aswell, but by no means do I have a Red Dragon Pump running my skimmer. A skimmer is all based on the same thing. Some are better than others, but there are man good quality skimmers out there, Bubble Magnus, Reef Octo, ASM, etc. all good skimmer companies who make a quality skimmer for under $250.

Plus, waterchanges also help remove that junk from your tank aswell, some of that the corals will actully thrive on!
 
My system is and always will be about as out dated as can be... The only equipment I use are CoralVue Metal Halides, Koralia Circulation Pumps, MagDrive Return Pumps. SWC Skimmer and a gravity fed top off with a float valve. I do not have any substrate at all. I also dose everything by hand, no other equipment whatsoever.
This allows for a very simple system and I don't have to worry about any equipment failure that may cause a system crash.

I have nothing against all of the equipment thats on todays market. I personally like having complete control of what goes on in the system. Also, maintaining a reef is part of the enjoyment for me.
 
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My system is and always will be about as out dated as can be... The only equipment I use are CoralVue Metal Halides, Koralia Circulation Pumps, MagDrive Return Pumps. SWC Skimmer and a gravity fed top off with a float valve. I do not have any substrate at all. I also dose everything by hand, no other equipment whatsoever.
This allows for a very simple system and I don't have to worry about any equipment failure that may cause a system crash.

I agree! The more technology we bring into our systems I think the higher risk of failure. I am using Modded Maxi Jets, and they produce a TON of flow, I love them.
 
I agree! The more technology we bring into our systems I think the higher risk of failure. I am using Modded Maxi Jets, and they produce a TON of flow, I love them.

I also KISS! I work alot and the wife wants nothing to do with my tank. I don't even think she looks at it. My 12 yr old son just does basic glass cleaning and feeds the fish. My 46bf used to be at the fire station with me till a pest control guy killed about $800 in corals and fish. The only thing that lived was a Damsel (imagine that) and very few mushrooms. My system is an old super skimmer 125 ($125), 46bf (used w/stand $50), Petdepo heater ($35), 3 Maxijet 1200 pumps (2 for circlulation 1 for fuge return $ ?), an old 10gl tank used for fuge ($0.00), A 1 gl. milk jug for Kalk ( Price of a gal of milk), 2 -2bulb coral life T-5 fixtures ($30 ea on fleebay) 1 Reefbright led 50/50 ( Free from friend, his cost $250) I just ordered a DIY ATO for $52 only because I work 72 hrs and off 24 alot of the time. My reg, sched. is 24/24. My system works pretty well. Yes sometimes the perimeters get a little off (like when I was doing search, rescue, and body recovery after out tornados in April.) I Love to come home and dabble with my tank when I get home, it helps me unwind. I could not do that if everything was automated.
Clowns 101: What did you do to improve/Mod you maxijets?
So with all that said. I love to KISS
 
I went to Doctors Foster and Smith and I ordered 4 of their maxijet modification kits for like $80 bucks and bought 4 maxi jets and I modded them with the kits! lol
 

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