Outside airline into Skimmer

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I see a huge difference when I leave windows open after being shut for a week ormore. It takes a day or two for my pH to get "too high" again.

For this reason, I too ran an air intake tube for the skimmer to the outside on the new build.
 
Hmmm, im going to push back a little on this. If he was able to run a line outside and it did raise the PH, i would say it is a co2 problem. Perhaps running such a long line diminished its effectiveness? I would use a co2 scrubber, however before going that route test the theory. Take water from your tank place out side in a cup or similar and gently aerate it and see where your PH lands. If its a big jump, co2 is your problem if not look for other issues.

this seems like a good idea. will give it a shot.
 
Let me restate the problem. The pH measured between the airline outside and no airline at all is about 0.05. So I am trying to understand why. Please explain why nitrates has anything to do with it.
Your PH is low, and I am trying to understand why. The reason that I am asking about nitrates is because if you have had some sort of aerobic decomposition event then your alk will be consumed which will cause downward pressure on PH. Combined with elevated CO2 this might be a problem. The elevated CO2 could be pushing bicarbonate and this as to the previous question isn't as good of buffer as carbonate. There is a method to the madness. :)

Pretty much at this point, I am plumbing the depths of weird. Your situation makes no sense. I am taking everything that you say at face value and I my assumption is that you have checked all of it, and I believe you have. There is possibly something that was missed that was simple, like you forgot to remove the cap on the intake line, but there is no way that me on the other end of this forum to know that and honestly your missing something like that is totally how all of this kind of thing works and is the normal part of reefing. :P

This is my last question because I am out of ideas.
 
Let me restate the problem. The pH measured between the airline outside and no airline at all is about 0.05. So I am trying to understand why. Please explain why nitrates has anything to do with it.

Windows open can be much more effective than outside air to a skimmer because the skimmer plan leaves the whole tank top and possibly other means of aerating the tank with the likely high CO2 indoor air.

That said, outside air or scrubber air to a skimmer has certainly helped many folks.

This article describes my aeration test to distinguish if you just need more aeration (uncommon but possible), or if you need outside air:

pH And The Reef Aquarium
http://www.reefedition.com/ph-and-the-reef-aquarium/


The Aeration Test

Some of the possible causes of low pH listed above require an effort to diagnose. Problems 3 and 4 are quite common, and here is a way to distinguish them. Remove a cup of tank water and measure its pH. Then aerate it for an hour with an airstone using outside air. Its pH should rise if it is unusually low for the measured alkalinity (Figure 2). Then repeat the same experiment on a new cup of water using inside air. If its pH also rises, then the aquarium’s pH will rise simply with more aeration because it is only the aquarium that contains excess carbon dioxide. If the pH does not rise in the cup (or rises very little) when aerating with indoor air, then that air likely contains excess CO2, and more aeration with that same air will not solve the low pH problem (although aeration with fresher air should). Be careful implementing this test if the outside aeration test results in a large temperature change (more than 5°C or 10°F), because such changes alone impact
 
What negative impacts on the tank are you noticing from the current pH?
 
What negative impacts on the tank are you noticing from the current pH?

I know it is trendy to claim pH is not important, but how would he know if he's not had it higher?
 
Is it trendy these days? I'm not claiming anything, just asking.
 
Let me restate the problem. The pH measured between the airline outside and no airline at all is about 0.05. So I am trying to understand why. Please explain why nitrates has anything to do with it.


I don't know how efficient the outside air intake is going to be or how big an effect it's going to have but I see a difference of up to .15 to .2 between windows shut the whole week because of AC running and then a window open for a day or two.
 
Windows open can be much more effective than outside air to a skimmer because the skimmer plan leaves the whole tank top and possibly other means of aerating the tank with the likely high CO2 indoor air.


Perhaps this is why I see a much bigger difference with windows open vs. OP with just the skimmer air intake.

Now that I ran the line (the walls were open anyway) I hope it will have greater than .05 effect, if not I guess I'll take anything - it's already done.
 
I ran an airline to my skimmer and it did not make much difference in pH. From 7.95 it went up to 8 in a day. I am running the tubing for about 13 feet. It is a one inch PVC pipe of 8 feet connected by a 1/2" tubing on both ends. Is the distance an issue here? Is there anything else that can be done here, other than the CO2 scrubber route?

Pipe/tubing presents friction to air as well, but that you upsized it likely means the flow is fine. Fresh air line work for some, not for others. Never worked for me. Depends a lot on the tank and on your house. Frankly, I wouldn't worry about 7.95. That's about where my tank is also.
 
Is it trendy these days? I'm not claiming anything, just asking.

Yes. If you search on "don't chase pH" you'll see lots of reef hobbyists claiming it is unimportant.

IMO, many of those folks are not distinguishing between "I have a nice reef tank and I don't even measure pH" from scientists showing troubling alterations to coral skeletons at lower pH or from the fact that coral skeletons actually dissolve if the pH is too low.
 
Also the tank room is usually empty unless i am there working on it. One possible theory could be is that the CO2 is not that great in the room to begin with so an airline to skimmer is not going to make that much of a difference.

People usually run the airline from Outside or even up in Attic to get fresh air into the system, rather than just from the interior room itself.
 
Windows open can be much more effective than outside air to a skimmer because the skimmer plan leaves the whole tank top and possibly other means of aerating the tank with the likely high CO2 indoor air.

That said, outside air or scrubber air to a skimmer has certainly helped many folks.

This article describes my aeration test to distinguish if you just need more aeration (uncommon but possible), or if you need outside air:

pH And The Reef Aquarium
http://www.reefedition.com/ph-and-the-reef-aquarium/


The Aeration Test

Some of the possible causes of low pH listed above require an effort to diagnose. Problems 3 and 4 are quite common, and here is a way to distinguish them. Remove a cup of tank water and measure its pH. Then aerate it for an hour with an airstone using outside air. Its pH should rise if it is unusually low for the measured alkalinity (Figure 2). Then repeat the same experiment on a new cup of water using inside air. If its pH also rises, then the aquarium’s pH will rise simply with more aeration because it is only the aquarium that contains excess carbon dioxide. If the pH does not rise in the cup (or rises very little) when aerating with indoor air, then that air likely contains excess CO2, and more aeration with that same air will not solve the low pH problem (although aeration with fresher air should). Be careful implementing this test if the outside aeration test results in a large temperature change (more than 5°C or 10°F), because such changes alone impact

Living in east coast keeping the window open especially during winter months is out of question. This test is fairly simple. I will test it and post the results here.
 

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