Owning a LFS

A brick and mortar fish store is a tough business. Being profitable is really difficult.

One thing that can help is a tank service business. Those actually can make you more money than a store, and there is very little overhead.
 
Your biggest expense will be your lease. Find the absolute lowest price you can. Accept an extra commute to make this happen. It will make the biggest difference in your ability to survive during tough economic times.

I'm always seeing LFS operate out of high-visibility, high-priced spaces. This makes zero sense to me. I don't think the random walkin customers really matter much to the bottom line.

As a consumer, I wouldnt hesitate to drive to the next town over for a worthwhile LFS. IMO, people opening LFS should keep this in mind and find the absolute lowest lease possible.
 
I feel this is everyone’s dream here!!! Man would I love to wake up everyday knowing I own a LFS and a place to go in! I love my job now but I would love this one way more!

Where I’m at, the LFS is about puppies.... that’s where the money is. They’ve got dogs for over $4k and probably paid $100.....?
The coral and fish are usually never looked at and usually plagued and disappointing. The Puppy Section is outstanding!

I hope you can make this happen one day! I’ll support you!
Are you referring to PAW by chance??
 
I was (still am?) seriously looking into opening a saltwater only fish/reef store up until this pandemic hit.

I did a lot of research and can tell you a few things:

1. You better love the hobby - because there is not a lot of money in it -and you will work long hours. If you think you are going to "get rich" - think again.

2. The margins (profits) for equipment, especially the good stuff (Red Sea, EcoTech, Neptune, etc.) is terrible - I mean really terrible.

3. You have to find a good fish wholesaler that you can really trust - a lot of horror stories from owners that I could actually get to talk to me - and most were about fish wholesalers.

4. Current LFS owners are not your friend when they find out you are seriously thinking of opening a competing store.

Lots of other stuff too... but you can sort of get the idea...
 
Does anyone have any experience owning/running a LFS. It is my life long dream to have my own LFS. Does anyone have any insight into profitability etc. Please no messages being Mr Negative - I get enough of that already from people outside this community. Any help would be very much appreciated.
I never had it but I know my local lfs that closed due to no profit (not enough customers), One of them still exist but they mostly freshwater.
 
I have owned an aquarium store. I started my store on 9/1/2001.

I failed ... miserably.


If this is the way that you look at this then I highly recommend that you avoid taking up this idea.

I thought the way that many here think about this and it cost me $100k, bankruptcy and years of deprivation dealing with the aftermath of what I had done.

Business isn't something to be messed with. Asking people on a message board about something so difficult and personal is a sure sign that you aren't ready and you don't get what will need to be done.

Sorry if you see this as negative, but it is the truth. Maybe you will not do what I did and save yourself the pain and the suffering of being ill prepared for what is necessary.

Be happy with your path and follow it to your ability.
Fellow business owners will recognize this as some of the best advice on here.

An LFS owner/friend of mine used to essentially run a LFS out of his garage, where he had several frag tanks and a few fish. People would come by appointment and he did well as a part time business. He ended up going all-in on a storefront, and while he's still around, he's told me many times how stressful it is and how he regrets not staying in his garage...
 
Your biggest expense will be your lease. Find the absolute lowest price you can. Accept an extra commute to make this happen. It will make the biggest difference in your ability to survive during tough economic times.

I'm always seeing LFS operate out of high-visibility, high-priced spaces. This makes zero sense to me. I don't think the random walkin customers really matter much to the bottom line.

As a consumer, I wouldnt hesitate to drive to the next town over for a worthwhile LFS. IMO, people opening LFS should keep this in mind and find the absolute lowest lease possible.
One of my fav LFS is in the middle of nowhere. They did fall into the pitfall of selling tons of fish but they cover a huge spectrum. They have fresh and saltwater fish and everything to support a thriving tank for both. Plus they have four massive displays one of the which is an sps only tank, a mixed reef, a planted tank, and a cichlids tank. Not to mention their sizeable frag tank, a coral room, and an impressive “secret” room where they sell their premium corals. I live in Texas if anyone wants to play the guessing game.
 
I own an online based coral shop and am in the process of opening a store. So I may be able to shed some light on a few things.
Starting out on Facebook groups and local market is a good start to get your feet wet. This is a small amount of money to get going initially. I say initially because there is a difference from being a hobby seller who sells a few pieces here and there to someone who is actively trying to move some volume. Once you jump into even a larger online platform with a website, shipping, several systems, card readers, PCI compliance, insurance, payroll depending on your structure, cost to maintain the systems, feed the systems, order in inventory, loss, system breakdowns, equipment and supplies. The online store becomes very expensive also, not as expensive as brick and mortar but it is not a cheap endeavor. The 80/20 analogy offered earlier is 100% spot on. I tell people all the time it’s 80% other “stuff” and 20% the actual corals or fish. Tomorrow for example I have three conference calls regarding processing and benefits from our payroll company... so I will spend most of the day in meetings. As for brick and mortar, the days of large all in one stop shops are nearly gone. There are a few exemptions to this but it is extremely hard to compete with the major online companies. Their inventory in stock at any given time is in the Millions of dollars and the markup is just not what you think it is to make it worth the investment on startup. Our current budget to open a small LFS mostly as a place for people who want to come and see items in person and really just a hang out for Reefers is still budgeted to cost $85k on initial opening. This price includes interior work, systems, marketing, first three months bills, inventory and incidentals. We will offer a small variety of fish, inverts, equipment from the brands we use and four coral systems. Funding for a store that deals in live animals is also very hard to find from banks. So friends, family, 401k or collateral for a loan may be needed. This is just brief review of our experiences... One more thing... if you think it will $10k i say add 20%... because $h:t happens... a lot...
 
I built one LFS but had a partner (he was the $ I was the work). Decided leave that arrangement. Helped design a few others since. Now am building a new facility with different business model. Feel free to reach out with any questions.
 
Does anyone have any experience owning/running a LFS. It is my life long dream to have my own LFS. Does anyone have any insight into profitability etc. Please no messages being Mr Negative - I get enough of that already from people outside this community. Any help would be very much appreciated.
I own a LFS, opened in 2018. I will give you honest advice. Enjoying the hobby and making a living running a LFS are entirely 2 different things. It all but ruined the hobby for me. It's tempting knowing that you can get stuff much cheaper than you see for sale in stores. What you don't realize is that it's cheaper because they have a whole lot of overhead and that store is how they earn a living. I don't know what you do now. I was a used car dealer and I held a good portfolio of people paying me notes each month. I had lots of inventory, paid for. Today, I have a fish store hanging on by a thread and a car lot that is pretty much just a few cars in my front yard. I lost a ton of money, more than I can measure counting growth. My wife and I run the store together and all we do is argue anymore. We are broke 24/7. Others have said the same thing. Sadly, and I wish it wasn't this way, retail is phasing out and online is what's here now. There are lots of places doing stuff online so good luck competing. There are some lucky coral sellers out there making some dough right now but there's stiff competition. I dropped $5k EXTRA on top of my regular budget of corals last summer in one month thinking I was going to compete. I ended up killing most of them with an Alk spike after holding on to most of it several months because no one bought any of it. My local buyers couldn't afford any of it either. .....Selling fish online is pretty much unheard of because of large companies making the market share. Supplies, gear, tanks, etc people are not going to buy them. They will buy online to save $0.99 or even when I price it the same or cheaper they still have it in their minds it's cheaper online. My overhead is about $2500/month and I'm in a rural area in a run-down building. We purchase about that much in product each month and barely make enough sales to cover expenses. There's no money in it. I've tried flexing to online with stuff, I can sell a little but it doesn't really help. People telling you to sell some online - it doesn't matter they're going to go with the big guys. I don't want to discourage your dream but I urge you to enjoy your hobby and not trying to turn it into a business. Do what other people do grow and sell some stuff locally (without needing a license) and just have fun with it. Pay for your goodies that way. Suppliers are always out of stock on everything. You wouldn't imagine how much stuff costs. The killer is they all have min orders and many charge freight (the rest figure it into prices) - they have minimums. So you may need something one places has, and something else another places has pretty soon you have a $5k order just to get a few things you needed. I can usually go buy tanks cheaper in Petco or Petsmart than I can buy them wholesale! If buying fish/coral in stores is expensive to you then try buying from local people selling stuff. The other thing is even though they'll hardly buy any of the stuff from you, people expect you to stock EVERYTHING. I tried stocking copepods live from Algae Barn, joined their program. I sold about 3 jars the entire time I had it. Then when the fridge was gone, people started asking for it. I tell them go to Algae Barn and buy it. I've stocked all the expensive reef lights, no one bought them. Even though I was priced same as big online stores, they bought online and not from me... You will not be able to buy the real fancy saught after corals if that's what you're thinking either. Wholesalers aren't giving that staff away to Joe shmoe. They will have you order $3000 worth of stuff nobody wants that you'll sit on forever to get one or two cherry pieces. Then all that stuff dies in your tank eventually. People like coming in looking and asking 10,000 questions like you're an encyclopedia then they walk out go home and buy online. They want you to be there - all the time- at their beck and call. People who know nothing about fish come in wanting the impossible. They want a tank with a fish and they have $20 never kept a fish before. They don't want a betta. They don't want to buy a heater. They don't want to spend more than $5 on a light and if they have to clean it any other way than empty It all out and put clean water back in, they don't want to do it. They will buy stuff, it will die and they want you to pay for it. Don't say I didn't warn you. I love my store - and that's the only reason it's open. But to be honest I'd rather have a gigantic fish room in my house and no customers to deal with. Oh, and imagine maintaining one tank. Now imagine 100x that much work because you'll be doing that all day every day. Cleaning tanks, scraping glass, vac, mix water, refill. The only money you'll make is cleaning customer's tanks - and that's even more of your own time early morning or late night after the store closes. Then when Joe Shmoe realizes he can do the same thing you're doing cheaper now you're being out-priced by someone without a store to pay for and overhead to keep up with who rides around with a $10 gravel vac and steals all your customers. People will sell corals and stuff at home in garages without a business license and run you out of business. Be prepared to drop $50k on your initial setup for a small store and be ready to spend $2500-$5500 in rent and utilities. I spent about 100k my first 2 years in business just building out the store over time and to me it still looks like crap. I did about 125k in combined sales those first 2 years, not exactly a profitable endeavor. I don't mean I bought 100k worth of supplies, I'm talking about just the cost of building out a store. I opened in a 950sq ft store and moved out 6 months later to a 3000sq ft unit next to it. Now, we're about to move again!!!! More money ........What I did with 50k in that 950sq st store it looked like a closet to me when I got done. Like a fish room in someone's house. It wasn't big enough, there wasn't anything in there to sell. I spent the next year dropping the other 50k in the bigger space on top of buying product. Now imagine making about 25% profit on the stuff you buy, if you're lucky. How much do you gotta sell to cover overhead? You better pull in 10k a month minimum in sales right out the gate (I still to this date don't turn that much) or you'll be eating ramen noodles and mingling in the unemployment line. I'm sorry if you wanted an uplifting positive story I don't have one. 10k a month is a whole lot of guppies (yes get ready for people to drive you inside for $2 guppies) that is the most annoying customer you'll ever meet and they are plentiful. I make about $.75 to a dollar on each guppy and for every 100 I buy about 25 of those die before I sell them. You need something to earn a living with - and a fish store can be a hobby that takes ALL the rest of your time. Good luck to ya. If I can give you one solid piece of advice. If you do this, carry dog stuff. Don't worry about all the other animals at first. Just do fish and have some speciality dog stuff. You won't be able to buy food to compete with anyone so don't worry about that. Carry a small selection of one brand for convenience if you want to but have unique dog stuff no one else carries - and if you can find a way to buy and sell puppies in there, that's gonna pay your rent. I tried to raise dogs but my wife is too attached to animals and I couldn't get her to do it. My dogs are loud and don't go to the store with us anymore but people still come into the store JUST to see the dogs and we have sent dozens of people to the breeders we got ours from just from being in the store (wish I had the puppies to sell them myself.) I have tons of customers that bring their dogs in with them (they do it in Petco and Petsmart) so naturally they assume we are the same way with dogs, I don't mind. But wish I had more dog stuff to offer.
 
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I own a LFS, opened in 2018. I will give you honest advice. Enjoying the hobby and making a living running a LFS are entirely 2 different things. It all but ruined the hobby for me. It's tempting knowing that you can get stuff much cheaper than you see for sale in stores. What you don't realize is that it's cheaper because they have a whole lot of overhead and that store is how they earn a living. I don't know what you do now. I was a used car dealer and I held a good portfolio of people paying me notes each month. I had lots of inventory, paid for. Today, I have a fish store hanging on by a thread and a car lot that is pretty much just a few cars in my front yard. I lost a ton of money, more than I can measure counting growth. My wife and I run the store together and all we do is argue anymore. We are broke 24/7. Others have said the same thing. Sadly, and I wish it wasn't this way, retail is phasing out and online is what's here now. There are lots of places doing stuff online so good luck competing. There are some lucky coral sellers out there making some dough right now but there's stiff competition. I dropped $5k EXTRA on top of my regular budget of corals last summer in one month thinking I was going to compete. I ended up killing most of them with an Alk spike after holding on to most of it several months because no one bought any of it. My local buyers couldn't afford any of it either. .....Selling fish online is pretty much unheard of because of large companies making the market share. Supplies, gear, tanks, etc people are not going to buy them. They will buy online to save $0.99 or even when I price it the same or cheaper they still have it in their minds it's cheaper online. My overhead is about $2500/month and I'm in a rural area in a run-down building. We purchase about that much in product each month and barely make enough sales to cover expenses. There's no money in it. I've tried flexing to online with stuff, I can sell a little but it doesn't really help. People telling you to sell some online - it doesn't matter they're going to go with the big guys. I don't want to discourage your dream but I urge you to enjoy your hobby and not trying to turn it into a business. Do what other people do grow and sell some stuff locally (without needing a license) and just have fun with it. Pay for your goodies that way. Suppliers are always out of stock on everything. You wouldn't imagine how much stuff costs. The killer is they all have min orders and many charge freight (the rest figure it into prices) - they have minimums. So you may need something one places has, and something else another places has pretty soon you have a $5k order just to get a few things you needed. I can usually go buy tanks cheaper in Petco or Petsmart than I can buy them wholesale! If buying fish/coral in stores is expensive to you then try buying from local people selling stuff. The other thing is even though they'll hardly buy any of the stuff from you, people expect you to stock EVERYTHING. I tried stocking copepods live from Algae Barn, joined their program. I sold about 3 jars the entire time I had it. Then when the fridge was gone, people started asking for it. I tell them go to Algae Barn and buy it. I've stocked all the expensive reef lights, no one bought them. Even though I was priced same as big online stores, they bought online and not from me... You will not be able to buy the real fancy saught after corals if that's what you're thinking either. Wholesalers aren't giving that staff away to Joe shmoe. They will have you order $3000 worth of stuff nobody wants that you'll sit on forever to get one or two cherry pieces. Then all that stuff dies in your tank eventually. People like coming in looking and asking 10,000 questions like you're an encyclopedia then they walk out go home and buy online. They want you to be there - all the time- at their beck and call. People who know nothing about fish come in wanting the impossible. They want a tank with a fish and they have $20 never kept a fish before. They don't want a betta. They don't want to buy a heater. They don't want to spend more than $5 on a light and if they have to clean it any other way than empty It all out and put clean water back in, they don't want to do it. They will buy stuff, it will die and they want you to pay for it. Don't say I didn't warn you. I love my store - and that's the only reason it's open. But to be honest I'd rather have a gigantic fish room in my house and no customers to deal with. Oh, and imagine maintaining one tank. Now imagine 100x that much work because you'll be doing that all day every day. Cleaning tanks, scraping glass, vac, mix water, refill. The only money you'll make is cleaning customer's tanks - and that's even more of your own time early morning or late night after the store closes. Then when Joe Shmoe realizes he can do the same thing you're doing cheaper now you're being out-priced by someone without a store to pay for and overhead to keep up with who rides around with a $10 gravel vac and steals all your customers. People will sell corals and stuff at home in garages without a business license and run you out of business. Be prepared to drop $50k on your initial setup for a small store and be ready to spend $2500-$5500 in rent and utilities. I spent about 100k my first 2 years in business just building out the store over time and to me it still looks like crap. I did about 125k in combined sales those first 2 years, not exactly a profitable endeavor. I don't mean I bought 100k worth of supplies, I'm talking about just the cost of building out a store. I opened in a 950sq ft store and moved out 6 months later to a 3000sq ft unit next to it. Now, we're about to move again!!!! More money ........What I did with 50k in that 950sq st store it looked like a closet to me when I got done. Like a fish room in someone's house. It wasn't big enough, there wasn't anything in there to sell. I spent the next year dropping the other 50k in the bigger space on top of buying product. Now imagine making about 25% profit on the stuff you buy, if you're lucky. How much do you gotta sell to cover overhead? You better pull in 10k a month minimum in sales right out the gate (I still to this date don't turn that much) or you'll be eating ramen noodles and mingling in the unemployment line. I'm sorry if you wanted an uplifting positive story I don't have one. 10k a month is a whole lot of guppies (yes get ready for people to drive you inside for $2 guppies) that is the most annoying customer you'll ever meet and they are plentiful. I make about $.75 to a dollar on each guppy and for every 100 I buy about 25 of those die before I sell them. You need something to earn a living with - and a fish store can be a hobby that takes ALL the rest of your time. Good luck to ya. If I can give you one solid piece of advice. If you do this, carry dog stuff. Don't worry about all the other animals at first. Just do fish and have some speciality dog stuff. You won't be able to buy food to compete with anyone so don't worry about that. Carry a small selection of one brand for convenience if you want to but have unique dog stuff no one else carries - and if you can find a way to buy and sell puppies in there, that's gonna pay your rent. I tried to raise dogs but my wife is too attached to animals and I couldn't get her to do it. My dogs are loud and don't go to the store with us anymore but people still come into the store JUST to see the dogs and we have sent dozens of people to the breeders we got ours from just from being in the store (wish I had the puppies to sell them myself.) I have tons of customers that bring their dogs in with them (they do it in Petco and Petsmart) so naturally they assume we are the same way with dogs, I don't mind. But wish I had more dog stuff to offer.
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Geeze, I knew it was bad, but not that bad :(
Seriously though, sorry to hear its been such a nightmare for you man. Hopefully you can get out from under it at some point.
 
At the end of the day it will become work.

I love fixing things and figuring out issues with “can’t be fixed equipment” and I run a family owned HVAC company.
As a service/install tech years ago I got to “fix” things all day. Now taking care of the business portion I seldom get to enjoy “fixing” something other than the business operational needs. With most small businesses just when you think you’re doing pretty good Uncle Sam stops in for his cut!

If you’re going for more of a pet store for multiple kinds of animals I would think trying to position yourself as a boutique pet store would be your best marketing strategy. You would need more specialty items with higher initial cost but the margins may be worth it. You aren’t gonna compete with Petsmart, PetcoWalmart on basic need items and “generic” pets.

Think of the average person you see in Walmart and now imagine a vast majority of your customers being that person.... and their kid sticking their hands in tanks and yelling at the birds to talk.

I’ve thought about getting into the business for a while just to help cover my expensive coral taste. Nowadays, more so than ever, I would focus 99% on online coral sales with a large growout system in home. The storefront overhead is just a nightmare to think about.

At the end of the day how much time will you get to really enjoy the tanks/animals versus how much time is eaten up by the business portion is the real question.

Best of luck if you decide to go for it!
 
I own a LFS, opened in 2018. I will give you honest advice. Enjoying the hobby and making a living running a LFS are entirely 2 different things. It all but ruined the hobby for me. It's tempting knowing that you can get stuff much cheaper than you see for sale in stores. What you don't realize is that it's cheaper because they have a whole lot of overhead and that store is how they earn a living. I don't know what you do now. I was a used car dealer and I held a good portfolio of people paying me notes each month. I had lots of inventory, paid for. Today, I have a fish store hanging on by a thread and a car lot that is pretty much just a few cars in my front yard. I lost a ton of money, more than I can measure counting growth. My wife and I run the store together and all we do is argue anymore. We are broke 24/7. Others have said the same thing. Sadly, and I wish it wasn't this way, retail is phasing out and online is what's here now. There are lots of places doing stuff online so good luck competing. There are some lucky coral sellers out there making some dough right now but there's stiff competition. I dropped $5k EXTRA on top of my regular budget of corals last summer in one month thinking I was going to compete. I ended up killing most of them with an Alk spike after holding on to most of it several months because no one bought any of it. My local buyers couldn't afford any of it either. .....Selling fish online is pretty much unheard of because of large companies making the market share. Supplies, gear, tanks, etc people are not going to buy them. They will buy online to save $0.99 or even when I price it the same or cheaper they still have it in their minds it's cheaper online. My overhead is about $2500/month and I'm in a rural area in a run-down building. We purchase about that much in product each month and barely make enough sales to cover expenses. There's no money in it. I've tried flexing to online with stuff, I can sell a little but it doesn't really help. People telling you to sell some online - it doesn't matter they're going to go with the big guys. I don't want to discourage your dream but I urge you to enjoy your hobby and not trying to turn it into a business. Do what other people do grow and sell some stuff locally (without needing a license) and just have fun with it. Pay for your goodies that way. Suppliers are always out of stock on everything. You wouldn't imagine how much stuff costs. The killer is they all have min orders and many charge freight (the rest figure it into prices) - they have minimums. So you may need something one places has, and something else another places has pretty soon you have a $5k order just to get a few things you needed. I can usually go buy tanks cheaper in Petco or Petsmart than I can buy them wholesale! If buying fish/coral in stores is expensive to you then try buying from local people selling stuff. The other thing is even though they'll hardly buy any of the stuff from you, people expect you to stock EVERYTHING. I tried stocking copepods live from Algae Barn, joined their program. I sold about 3 jars the entire time I had it. Then when the fridge was gone, people started asking for it. I tell them go to Algae Barn and buy it. I've stocked all the expensive reef lights, no one bought them. Even though I was priced same as big online stores, they bought online and not from me... You will not be able to buy the real fancy saught after corals if that's what you're thinking either. Wholesalers aren't giving that staff away to Joe shmoe. They will have you order $3000 worth of stuff nobody wants that you'll sit on forever to get one or two cherry pieces. Then all that stuff dies in your tank eventually. People like coming in looking and asking 10,000 questions like you're an encyclopedia then they walk out go home and buy online. They want you to be there - all the time- at their beck and call. People who know nothing about fish come in wanting the impossible. They want a tank with a fish and they have $20 never kept a fish before. They don't want a betta. They don't want to buy a heater. They don't want to spend more than $5 on a light and if they have to clean it any other way than empty It all out and put clean water back in, they don't want to do it. They will buy stuff, it will die and they want you to pay for it. Don't say I didn't warn you. I love my store - and that's the only reason it's open. But to be honest I'd rather have a gigantic fish room in my house and no customers to deal with. Oh, and imagine maintaining one tank. Now imagine 100x that much work because you'll be doing that all day every day. Cleaning tanks, scraping glass, vac, mix water, refill. The only money you'll make is cleaning customer's tanks - and that's even more of your own time early morning or late night after the store closes. Then when Joe Shmoe realizes he can do the same thing you're doing cheaper now you're being out-priced by someone without a store to pay for and overhead to keep up with who rides around with a $10 gravel vac and steals all your customers. People will sell corals and stuff at home in garages without a business license and run you out of business. Be prepared to drop $50k on your initial setup for a small store and be ready to spend $2500-$5500 in rent and utilities. I spent about 100k my first 2 years in business just building out the store over time and to me it still looks like crap. I did about 125k in combined sales those first 2 years, not exactly a profitable endeavor. I don't mean I bought 100k worth of supplies, I'm talking about just the cost of building out a store. I opened in a 950sq ft store and moved out 6 months later to a 3000sq ft unit next to it. Now, we're about to move again!!!! More money ........What I did with 50k in that 950sq st store it looked like a closet to me when I got done. Like a fish room in someone's house. It wasn't big enough, there wasn't anything in there to sell. I spent the next year dropping the other 50k in the bigger space on top of buying product. Now imagine making about 25% profit on the stuff you buy, if you're lucky. How much do you gotta sell to cover overhead? You better pull in 10k a month minimum in sales right out the gate (I still to this date don't turn that much) or you'll be eating ramen noodles and mingling in the unemployment line. I'm sorry if you wanted an uplifting positive story I don't have one. 10k a month is a whole lot of guppies (yes get ready for people to drive you inside for $2 guppies) that is the most annoying customer you'll ever meet and they are plentiful. I make about $.75 to a dollar on each guppy and for every 100 I buy about 25 of those die before I sell them. You need something to earn a living with - and a fish store can be a hobby that takes ALL the rest of your time. Good luck to ya. If I can give you one solid piece of advice. If you do this, carry dog stuff. Don't worry about all the other animals at first. Just do fish and have some speciality dog stuff. You won't be able to buy food to compete with anyone so don't worry about that. Carry a small selection of one brand for convenience if you want to but have unique dog stuff no one else carries - and if you can find a way to buy and sell puppies in there, that's gonna pay your rent. I tried to raise dogs but my wife is too attached to animals and I couldn't get her to do it. My dogs are loud and don't go to the store with us anymore but people still come into the store JUST to see the dogs and we have sent dozens of people to the breeders we got ours from just from being in the store (wish I had the puppies to sell them myself.) I have tons of customers that bring their dogs in with them (they do it in Petco and Petsmart) so naturally they assume we are the same way with dogs, I don't mind. But wish I had more dog stuff to offer.
Thank you for all that valuable information. I do plan to sell dog stuff, as I am a big dog person. I also completely understand what you’re saying about online retailers, however I am based in the UK and online fish suppliers are few and far between so from my knowledge most people in the UK still use the LFS compared to how it is in America. Thanks Again though - Noah
 
At the end of the day it will become work.

I love fixing things and figuring out issues with “can’t be fixed equipment” and I run a family owned HVAC company.
As a service/install tech years ago I got to “fix” things all day. Now taking care of the business portion I seldom get to enjoy “fixing” something other than the business operational needs. With most small businesses just when you think you’re doing pretty good Uncle Sam stops in for his cut!

If you’re going for more of a pet store for multiple kinds of animals I would think trying to position yourself as a boutique pet store would be your best marketing strategy. You would need more specialty items with higher initial cost but the margins may be worth it. You aren’t gonna compete with Petsmart, PetcoWalmart on basic need items and “generic” pets.

Think of the average person you see in Walmart and now imagine a vast majority of your customers being that person.... and their kid sticking their hands in tanks and yelling at the birds to talk.

I’ve thought about getting into the business for a while just to help cover my expensive coral taste. Nowadays, more so than ever, I would focus 99% on online coral sales with a large growout system in home. The storefront overhead is just a nightmare to think about.

At the end of the day how much time will you get to really enjoy the tanks/animals versus how much time is eaten up by the business portion is the real question.

Best of luck if you decide to go for it!
Thank you kindly
 
Pets in Aquatics? Not them if so! I’m talking about Sylvia’s pet shop and Pets n Pals.
Nope, I was talking about Pet and Aquatic Warehouse in Lynchburg. A rather large pet store that has a huge saltwater and freshwater selection, as well as dogs, birds, hamsters, snakes, spiders, lizards, etc. About a year ago, they finished updating their saltwater area and it's fantastic. Buuttt alas, I have moved to a city much bigger with much worse selection of LFS. One is fine and I trust them, but the others are just downright awful.

Edit to say when PAW in Lynchburg upgraded their saltwater area, they changed it so every tank was on it's own filtration system so if something happened to one, it wouldn't happen to the others. They had probably 48ish 30 gallon tanks and 6 50-75 gallon. Plus a 200 gallon display.
 
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A brick and mortar fish store is a tough business. Being profitable is really difficult.

One thing that can help is a tank service business. Those actually can make you more money than a store, and there is very little overhead.
While i have never personally owned a store i have a very close friend who did for several years. I volunteered my time helping with construction of walls, stands, wiring and plumbing. We built everything we could ourselves and the store was beautiful.
The people where great and the club was a blast.
Problems we experienced were it was oftentimes impossible to match online prices because of overhead with brick and mortar.

There really isn't any money in fish and they often come in DOA. This ment ordering more than you really wanted to to account for losses while making sure there where fish to buy when your customers came in. Nothing worst than empty tanks when people are looking to buy. Coral only stores never make it where i live as fish draw in a more diverse customer based which for us was as large if not larger than the coral side.

People dont like to wait for things so stocking supplies was a tricky balance of having just enough to sell without too much stock. And this changed often.

If you plan to work full-time yourself then you are okay but finding good help that shares your passion and vision takes time and grooming. We both had regular full time jobs which met having to hire someone which can be costly.

We definitely kept the doors open with the maintenance side of things but again this will take up time.

Hopefully this is helpful in giving you some things to consider. I certainly don't want to discourage anyone as its an amazing experience but i think looking at all of the costs and benefits is important to make sure it fits in to what your goal is.
 

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