Oxygen while using meds

CJBuckeyes · Jul 31, 2016

Humblefish said:
Yes, but it is such a tiny amount that is poses no risk to you or your fish.

Good to know, thanks!

I didn't do a fw dip in my treatment routine. Great info on how effective they are, will definitely add that in next time I treat.

Humblefish · Jul 31, 2016

CJBuckeyes said:
Good to know, thanks!

I didn't do a fw dip in my treatment routine. Great info on how effective they are, will definitely add that in next time I treat.

The FW dip only needs to be for 5 mins. Specific instructions can be found here: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/freshwater-dip.248898/

Immediately following the FW dip, transfer the fish into a small tank or bucket predosed with acriflavine. After 90 mins transfer the fish into a QT predosed with CP (temp & SG should match the bath water perfectly). The nice thing about acriflavine is you can go over 90 mins without worrying about the fish - provided you are temp controlling the water & providing plenty of aeration. Back when I used to perform formalin baths on a regular basis, it was a nail-biter as to whether or not the fish would survive longer than 30 mins in that crap.

CJBuckeyes · Jul 31, 2016

Would you recommend doing a freshwater bath at this point? I'm on day 7 and all four fish look clear and healthy. I did CP + Prazipro day 1, ruby rally dip for 90 mins on day 4, and am re-dosing prazipro today.

Your articles are such a huge contribution to the community. Thanks again!

Humblefish · Jul 31, 2016

CJBuckeyes said:
Would you recommend doing a freshwater bath at this point? I'm on day 7 and all four fish look clear and healthy. I did CP + Prazipro day 1, ruby rally dip for 90 mins on day 4, and am re-dosing prazipro today.

Your articles are such a huge contribution to the community. Thanks again!

Nah, by now most of the parasites/worms have already dropped off. You just want to keep the fish in CP to prevent reinfection and do another round of Prazipro one week after the first. Also watch out for any bacterial bloom (cloudy water) when mixing CP + Prazipro. I've lost fish after combining those two chemicals.

And thank you for the compliment!

Humblefish · Jul 31, 2016

Video feeding update. Mysis shrimp soaked in Selcon (to boost the immune system.) I like to turn off all the pumps during feeding time. The water has turned cloudy due to all the different medications being mixed together, but its OK because providing maximum gas exchange curtails the impact from a bacterial bloom.

It's Day 6 and I dosed kanamycin (25mg/gal) again for the Yellow Tang's infection. I may need to switch over to nitrofurazone soon if it doesn't completely clear. He isn't eating as well as the other two fish.

Wife has already named these fish: Butter Scotch (YT), Jelly Bean (Clown Tang), Liquorice Stick (Heniochus)

TCFletch · Aug 1, 2016

Adorable names! Have you tested ammonia? And do you plan on doing any water changes? BTW fish looking great.

Humblefish · Aug 1, 2016

TCFletch said:
Adorable names! Have you tested ammonia? And do you plan on doing any water changes? BTW fish looking great.

No ammonia. See ammonia alert badge at the end of the video. I almost never have to do WCs in QT because a) I use a seeded sponge in the HOB with holds TONS of nitrifying bacteria b) The fish will only be in this treatment tank (exposed to meds) for 10-11 days before being transferred to an observation/conditioning tank. More to come on that later!

TCFletch · Aug 1, 2016

Thanks for the update. Following along. I have more questions for when you get to the next step.

CJBuckeyes · Aug 2, 2016

Humblefish said:
BTW, all fish are eating now. Clown Tang & butterfly started yesterday, Yellow Tang started today.

I'm on day 8 of CP treatment. All 4 of my fish look totally clear, but my foxface hasn't started eating yet. I've tried dry, frozen and nori. Any advice?

Humblefish said:
No ammonia. See ammonia alert badge at the end of the video. I almost never have to do WCs in QT because a) I use a seeded sponge in the HOB with holds TONS of nitrifying bacteria

Can you give more details about how you seed? Is this with a bottled bacteria, or do you place the sponge in an existing tank?

Humblefish · Aug 2, 2016

CJBuckeyes said:
I'm on day 8 of CP treatment. All 4 of my fish look totally clear, but my foxface hasn't started eating yet. I've tried dry, frozen and nori. Any advice?

Refresh my memory. Is your foxface a new fish and if so, was he eating when you bought him? Or are you treating all these fish for an active disease (ich/velvet)?

CJBuckeyes said:
Can you give more details about how you seed? Is this with a bottled bacteria, or do you place the sponge in an existing tank?

I seed all my sponges down in the DT sump for at least 1 month prior to use in QT.

CJBuckeyes · Aug 2, 2016

Humblefish said:
Refresh my memory. Is your foxface a new fish and if so, was he eating when you bought him? Or are you treating all these fish for an active disease (ich/velvet)?

I've had the foxface for about a year, he's good and fat. Treating him for black ich and velvet.

Humblefish · Aug 2, 2016

@CJBuckeyes It's possible the medication(s) are suppressing his appetite. Have you done two rounds of prazi yet?

CJBuckeyes · Aug 2, 2016

Humblefish said:
@CJBuckeyes It's possible the medication(s) are suppressing his appetite. Have you done two rounds of prazi yet?

Today is day 9 of treatment. CP throughout. Prazipro on days 1 and again on day 7 (2 days ago). Reef rally dip on day 4.

Humblefish · Aug 2, 2016

Can you setup a non-medicated holding tank for the foxface? You can pull him on Day 11 of CP treatment, provided the holding tank is at least 10 feet away from both your QTs and the DT.

CJBuckeyes · Aug 2, 2016

No, I don't have the space for a third tank. Should I just remove all meds from QT on day 11?

Humblefish · Aug 2, 2016

CJBuckeyes said:
No, I don't have the space for a third tank. Should I just remove all meds from QT on day 11?

No, you can't lower "the shield" i.e. CP for 30 days. However, you can transfer the fish out of QT after just 11 days if you have somewhere else for them to go. Velvet can only remain on a fish for 4 days max, so by transferring you are leaving any unhatched tomonts behind in the orginal treatment tank. And the presence of CP is "the shield" protecting your fish from reinfection. This is not a 100% thing, but it has worked every time I have tried it. And I'm thinking it might work for your foxface since he may need to get out of medicated water in order to eat again.

Deinonych · Aug 2, 2016

Humblefish said:
@CJBuckeyes It's possible the medication(s) are suppressing his appetite. Have you done two rounds of prazi yet?

+1

I've treated foxfaces with CP in the past and have observed marked appetite suppression. I would forget about trying to get them to eat nori while in CP - I think it imparts a bitterness that the fish can't tolerate.

Humblefish · Aug 3, 2016

Deinonych said:
I've treated foxfaces with CP in the past and have observed marked appetite suppression.

Suppression or not eating at all? Did the foxface make it thru treatment? Wondering whether or not rabbitfish should be added to the "no CP" list, as I have only treated one (but he did fine.)

Deinonych · Aug 3, 2016

Humblefish said:
Suppression or not eating at all? Did the foxface make it thru treatment? Wondering whether or not rabbitfish should be added to the "no CP" list, as I have only treated one (but he did fine.)

Yes, it made it through treatment. It eventually started eating "normal" food (frozen, pellets), but never touched nori while CP was present.