PBT eating then seizure?

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Important perhaps to note that my other PBT who was seemingly healthy and eating great also yesterday dropped dead overnight unexpectedly...

Both fish were sourced from live aquaria (thus quality marine).

So I was feeding my refrigerated mix of foods as I always do, (I drain 10 types of frozen foods by microwaving them then straining them, add selcon, garlic guard, and cod liver oil as I always have done). Powder eating, everyone great. Next thing I know it isn't moving at all and is stiff as a board as the power heads blow his body around the tank. About three minutes later he starts to swim sporadically but surprisingly well... Then two minutes later lays on his side by a rock for a breather.

Ten minutes later he is swimming around 90% as normal or better (tough to do in my very high flow qt).

No ammonia nitrite or nitrates, I do 75% water changes daily and have for two weeks. Cupramine at .5 ppm and has been for about a week. No other inhabitants have any issues (not even the Achilles and powder brown).

If it's anything like the thread on reef central that had the same exact situation happen to them, he will be dead by morning. I've had it two weeks.

I know cupramine isn't ideal but it's better IMO than the stress of ttm and kills more parasites (and ich more effectively) than hypo.

I don't dose anything else except seachem stability and araga milk to bring up the ph of the new wc water. (No ammonia nitrite and nitrate detoxifiers). Temp 78 degrees, salinity 1.026. I had performed a water change with identical parameters three hours prior.

I hope he makes it but what the heck? And unlike the reef central thread with same fish and symptoms, this fish was not fed true frozen food it was merely refrigerated.
 
hope it will make it. What are you testing copper with? I would drop the copper level a bit just to give it some relief in case it's caused by copper.
 
hope it will make it. What are you testing copper with? I would drop the copper level a bit just to give it some relief in case it's caused by copper.

I use seachem test kit and sailifert. The best kits for cupramine. The sailifert registers .4-.45. Seachem registers .5

When I had copper at .4, the PBT got a single white spot, so I increased it to .45, then .5 over two days

Also probably irrelevant but it was also eating live black worms in addition to frozen mix
 
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I did turn off the lights to reduce stress. There is a tank close that is lighting the room a bit but hopefully this helps.
 
Still kicking...

Not only that, it is eating voraciously... It looks great I hope it makes it!
 
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Just pigged out again and doing well. Crazy
 
I would completely remove the fish from copper and place him in a different non-medicated QT. I understand that 99% of PBTs handle copper just fine, but fish are individuals just like us. And just like us, sometimes they come into contact with a chemical that they as individuals have an allergic reaction to. I'm not saying for certain this is what's happening here ... but it's my best educated guess.
 
I have my fish In qt with cupramine and my wrasses are doing the same thing. I got a wild hunch and put prazipro in there and what do you know flukes! They fell off almost instantly and the fish activity went up 100 percent... Maybe try prazipro ?
 
I have my fish In qt with cupramine and my wrasses are doing the same thing. I got a wild hunch and put prazipro in there and what do you know flukes! They fell off almost instantly and the fish activity went up 100 percent... Maybe try prazipro ?

Good suggestion. I'd also like to add that performing a FW dip can be used to confirm the presence of flukes and provide immediate relief.
 
Guys, poor fella is dead as of 1:30 am. I will run prazi tomorrow and cut off the skimmer.
 
Fresh water dip his body if you didn't already flush him so you can see if he had them.

I froze him. I've had flukes once before, I didn't see any of those symptoms at all, but that doesn't mean they're absent necessarily. I should have Fw dipped before putting in bag. I planned on using prazi during this quarantine anyway, so I'll just do it sooner rather than later!
 
Sorry for your loss. :( Typically flukes travels to the eyes (where you can see them) before killing a fish, but that may not be true in all cases.
 
Sorry for your loss. :( Typically flukes travels to the eyes (where you can see them) before killing a fish, but that may not be true in all cases.

I didn't see any of that, but every fish I put in my displays from here out will go through ateast two rounds of prazi and one of cupramine (4-5 weeks).
 
Since the other Acantharus tangs are fine in the tank (4" Achilles, 4.5" powder brown, 2.5" Atlantic blue, and 3" clown) I am wondering if this batch was poorly collected. I got the two at the same time. I am replacing them. If it happens again, I will add my powder blues after the other fish are I display - which I don't want to do because of the potential of aggression but if I add 2-3 small powder blues I think I'll be ok. I ordered some 2.5" PBT. I'm decreasing cupramine and I will slowly increase it once they arrive. I also ordered a small purple, yellow, and Desjardini Sailfin (2-3" each) to replace the much larger three I have now. (4.25-4.5" yellow, 5" purple, 5.25" Desjardini Sailfin).

I've had those three zebrasoma for years.. Was hard to sell them but I know that if i want to stock my tanks like I do, I need lots of water changes and small, new tangs. Three to five years from now I will sell my tangs to my friends and do it again IF I don't have a ten foot tank by then... And my guess is I absolutely will I've already started planning/saving! I want either two 8" tanks, or 2 10" tanks. I would combine my two reef tanks and by then my large Angels will be large and need the space too. Two 10" wall tanks would be sweet!
 
Wow what a distracted paragraph haha! Poor PBT... My tank is so lonely without those light blue little buggers happily swimming around. Still so perplexed!
 

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