Peroxid Treatment.. And Cheato

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Will Hydrogen Peroxide KILL CHEATO...? I don't want to kill it as I just got some. I want to Peroxide today.. I need to find out if anyone has done this with Cheato in there fuge... Thanks Rod..
 
And if there traces of dino in the Cheato what am I to do to clean it free of dino... Dip it in fresh water...? I think that would work just fine...? Maybe...? Thank you really...
 
Dinos bloom under conditions of long photo periods of 12+ hours per day under more intense lighting like 20K LEDs for example. Additionally bringing phosphates to 0.00 ppm is a very good way to get them to bloom. Nitrates may not necessarily be 0 ppm but if they are it will encourage dinos to bloom more.

Dino blooms have been triggered when people switch to a new higher PAR lighting system, like 20K LEDs, and/or running too much phosphate removing medium like GFO or Phosban. I got them when I did both of these things.

While H202 can get rid of dinos, this course of treatment often results in them coming back due to the underlying condition of nitrates and phosphates still being too low with a long and intense photo period. This is also a hard treatment to put your corals and invertebrates through from what I have read.

Here is an alternate method that I used and recommend to get rid of dinos and prevent them from reblooming. You'll need to get your phosphate to at least 0.1 ppm and nitrate to at least 1 ppm. If you currently have a bloom, then also reduce your photo period and light intensity if you can. Manually remove larger clumps weekly to keep them from getting out of hand. It usually takes 6 months to fully recover from a bloom so you'll want jump on it quick. Running carbon for the toxins that some strains release will help prevent your snails and corals from suffering any health issues.

Measuring phosphate at these small levels is very demanding for test kits. The only two I found that are worth while are the Hanna LR phosphate or ULR phosphorus. While other test kits can have the refinement needed for these trace levels, the color scales used to determine the value are a pain to judge at best and many people find they don't match anything close enough to even make a call. But you definitely need a low range tester because something like an API tester just doesn't have the refinement.
 
Will Hydrogen Peroxide KILL CHEATO...? I don't want to kill it as I just got some. I want to Peroxide today.. I need to find out if anyone has done this with Cheato in there fuge... Thanks Rod..

I wondered the same thing a while back, so I experimented with dipping chaeto in peroxide. The Hydrogen Peroxide killed the cheato. I used a very strong solution though - probably about 50/50 with water. Wish I could offer some good advice on the dinos. Good luck.
 
I just don't know for sure.. As Peroxide does kill algae.. and I don't want a Cheato loss. I am going to separate it just in case.. I don't have an extra pump right now for it, but I have good lights.. lol. Running right at 300 gallons and I don't want to mess up at all..! Thank you..
 
I started Peroxide yesterday and then this morning.. It already looks slightly better...lol
 
I’ve been dozing h2o2 for about 2 weeks now for cyano. 1.5 ml per 10 gallons, 2x per day. I have a bunch of Chaetomorpha in my sump - it hasn’t been affected.
 
I’ve been dozing h2o2 for about 2 weeks now for cyano. 1.5 ml per 10 gallons, 2x per day. I have a bunch of Chaetomorpha in my sump - it hasn’t been affected.
Really I have been so afraid to try it.. I just don't want to lose it as it is so health right now.
 
My understanding is that the peroxide is very short-lived when we dose it. Maybe you could put your chaeto in a small container of tank water when you add the peroxide, and then put it back in the tank a few hours or so later. But honestly, unless you are dosing in really high concentrations, your chaeto should be fine.
 
Good thanks .. I was thinking so.. as I don't want to dose and than re-introduce any containments back into my system.. Thanks I will try that.. This is kind of scary.. Just a new wrinkle that was just introduced to me.. Hope it works, I have seen a lot of change as of NOW already..! Fishies are doing fantastic to say the least I just feed them.. lol. Who would have thought of this...? One very smart guy or gal I have to say.. Salty Fingers for some 28+ years here.. lol. Thanks again to all..
 
Peroxide won’t affect cheato or other macroalgae as long as you don’t overdose or put the algae in a concentrated solution. It’s not effective against even GHA, it will work on cyano and some dinos. As stated above, look for the underlying causes, unfortunately often times it’s next to impossible to identify as both cyano and dinos can thrive under too many environmental conditions.

Good luck!
 
Dinos bloom under conditions of long photo periods of 12+ hours per day under more intense lighting like 20K LEDs for example. Additionally bringing phosphates to 0.00 ppm is a very good way to get them to bloom. Nitrates may not necessarily be 0 ppm but if they are it will encourage dinos to bloom more.

Dino blooms have been triggered when people switch to a new higher PAR lighting system, like 20K LEDs, and/or running too much phosphate removing medium like GFO or Phosban. I got them when I did both of these things.

While H202 can get rid of dinos, this course of treatment often results in them coming back due to the underlying condition of nitrates and phosphates still being too low with a long and intense photo period. This is also a hard treatment to put your corals and invertebrates through from what I have read.

Here is an alternate method that I used and recommend to get rid of dinos and prevent them from reblooming. You'll need to get your phosphate to at least 0.1 ppm and nitrate to at least 1 ppm. If you currently have a bloom, then also reduce your photo period and light intensity if you can. Manually remove larger clumps weekly to keep them from getting out of hand. It usually takes 6 months to fully recover from a bloom so you'll want jump on it quick. Running carbon for the toxins that some strains release will help prevent your snails and corals from suffering any health issues.

Measuring phosphate at these small levels is very demanding for test kits. The only two I found that are worth while are the Hanna LR phosphate or ULR phosphorus. While other test kits can have the refinement needed for these trace levels, the color scales used to determine the value are a pain to judge at best and many people find they don't match anything close enough to even make a call. But you definitely need a low range tester because something like an API tester just doesn't have the refinement.

How do I get your phosphate to at least 0.1 ppm and nitrate to at least 1 ppm?. The easiest, cheapest and the fastest way that there would be to do so...????? I have to start this now.. I did order in some MicroBactor 7 a 2litter - 67 oz jug... Will that help..???
 
I don't know where your phosphates and nitrates are currently so I don't know if you need to go up or down. Either way you will need a good tester like the Hanna LR phosphate or ULR phosphorus and the Red Sea nitrate tester.

Assuming you need to increase them, get Spectrocide stump remover from Lowes or Home Depot. It is pure potassium nitrate in powder form. A little goes a loooonnngggg way so start small. For my 29 gallon tank just wetting a measuring spoon and dipping it into the stump remover to get residual powder on it is enough to raise my nitrates to about 5 ppm. To raise phosphates there are products like Sea Chem's Flourish that can raise it. Just follow the directions. These products are what I use with success for over a year now. But make sure you measure where you're currently at before doing anything.

Assuming you need to lower them, then adding GFO, Granular Ferric Oxide, or Sea Chem Phosbane will lower phosphates over time. Use as directed and better to under dose than to over dose. There are also nitrate absorbers like Kent Nitrate Sponge. Again use as directed and don't over dose. You don't have to use these brands I'm just giving an example.

You can also lower them doing water changes if they are really high, but you should verify that the water you use has zero phosphates and nitrates.
 

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