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So some of you may or may not know I once worked at petco. I worked there when I turned 18 because what teenager didn't want to work at a pet store, and by the time I was 19 I was the aquatics specialist and I was in that role for 3 years while in college. I just wanted to give people a deeper look into how things worked at petco and point out some hypocrisies I see on this website, and no I don't expect to change any minds with this post. Now buckle in because this is a longer post

Petco; like any store; varies in quality depending on the staff that work there. There are some stores where they could care less about salt and only order clowns and damsels for their store because it's too much of a hassle, and sometimes even give blatantly wrong info to customers. At other stores you had people that really cared and would order more obscure or expensive fish, and probably know a lot more than your average joe about the marine aquarium. I myself gave out my personal cell for anyone that had questions or if they wanted me to order any specific fish for them. To the point where more than half of my phone contacts were just fish people. One of the things that annoys me about working at petco is one fish I have will come in underweight and we get the "what do you expect from a petco" yet people will go to a lfs where half their fish have ich, has no qt process whatsoever (essentially a treat once you see it store), and has told me he could care less about fish he cares far more about corals and inverts, and they have a 4.9/5 on google. One lfs I went to I heard an employee say a mimic tang was actually an angel and that derasa clams only live a few months in the aquarium, and of course while I was there there were diseases everywhere, and the fish where anywhere from 2-5 times as much as our fish... 4.5/5 on google.

Now that leads me into stocking. Yes petco has some really bad vendors. The one that comes to mind is apet, their sizes are inconsistent and the health (mostly just tangs) is questionable. For instance I ordered a koran angel one time and they send a sub adult where its getting its adult colors (that sold instantly since it was like 30 bucks). The next one I ordered was 2 inches long. However our other vendors are some of the exact same vendors that other lfs use and even some really popular fish like ora clownfish as an example, but because its petco everyone just goes "bad vendor" or "bad store" despite the fact a lot of the vendors are the same ones that your lfs uses because most of the vendors are regional therefore there is a high chance that your lfs uses some of the same ones.

Fish care... This one is painful. Essentially if you want to keep your job you either have to only order cheap fish and inverts so shrink isn't terribly impacted, or you have to break the rules... rules that get you fired. For instance petco doesn't let you treat with copper, or prazi, or metro, or anything anyone on here actually uses. They tell us to use herbtana and artemiss, and any petco employee will tell you that it doesn't work, I have even tried tripling the dosage and no improvements. So I bit the bullet and started buying the essentials out of pocket. Now no one will come into the store and test your tank for copper (thankfully). But because its against the rules if you get caught with it you will probably get fired, but since it is a rule you have no excuse to remove the rock and crushed coral they use, it can be a MASSIVE pain to get copper to therapeutic levels and maintain it. I actually only kept a really thin layer of crushed coral, and live rock (its more like concrete than actual rock). I was essentially running copper 24/7/365, except for the day before an animal shipment arrived I would throw a carbon pillow in the system to lower copper levels (which is why I prefer cupramine).

small side tangent here. I really love (sarcasm) the people that came into my store 3 months after getting a fish and demanding a refund on a yellow tang they got that potentially introduced ich into their tank and wanting compensation for the lost fish, not my fault you didn't quarantine a fish referred to as ich magnets.

That leads me into my final point. Even if you think petco fish are more prone to disease, you are going to (or you should) quarantine the fish regardless. If you see a healthy good size fish at petco, ask to see it eat, if its a good price get it as you are going to put it through the same quarantine process as every other fish you get from any other store. I told everyone that came in, how long a fish has been there, if its eating (and I'll show them... especially for things like lionfish), and how long its been in copper and if I've treated with anything else. I still tell them regardless to qt a fish even if its been in copper for 30 days I will tell them to do it regardless.

Small side note if a fish is mislabeled at petco, the employees probably know this. It is typically the vendor sending the wrong fish, the fish comes in under a name it has to sell under that same sku (however I used one of those labelers to put the actual name up). What really irritated me; especially when I was new because I would do a bunch of research beforehand; was to send something blatantly wrong like I order a dragon wrasse and in the bag IS A SCOOTER BLENNY. anyways

if you survived this borderline rant block of text I applaud you. Feel free to ask questions about deathco as even I call it from time to time.
 
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One of the local Petcos has a frag rack with quite a bit..... bought 2 Fire-Shrimp from it, one alive and well, one I crushed to death.

I haven’t seen any coral etc I had to have/priced right for me, but I am not against it.

I don’t really buy fish, so can’t comment there.

I have too many stores nearby with ridiculous selections and top-notch maintenance/knowledge/prices etc to stop in the Petco unless I happen to be at the store next door trying to spend all of my money on Frank Zappa and Dead records......

I have nothing against them in terms of little animals/fish/whatever.

There is a special place in hell for people who support pet-shops that sell dogs though...... I don’t “rescue” but with the internet etc, it’s not hard to seek out a reputable breeder.....

$9k (yep) for a French Bulldog at the local pet-store in the mall, and the price is the very least of my concerns with it....
 
One of the local Petcos has a frag rack with quite a bit..... bought 2 Fire-Shrimp from it, one alive and well, one I crushed to death.

I haven’t seen any coral etc I had to have/priced right for me, but I am not against it.

I don’t really buy fish, so can’t comment there.

I have too many stores nearby with ridiculous selections and top-notch maintenance/knowledge/prices etc to stop in the Petco unless I happen to be at the store next door trying to spend all of my money on Frank Zappa and Dead records......
corals are overpriced at petco. Like to the point I never ordered them. so like a zoa with only like 8 polyps was 60 dollars, whereas you can get a whole colony of the same type of zoa for 30
 
One of the local Petcos has a frag rack with quite a bit..... bought 2 Fire-Shrimp from it, one alive and well, one I crushed to death.

I haven’t seen any coral etc I had to have/priced right for me, but I am not against it.

I don’t really buy fish, so can’t comment there.

I have too many stores nearby with ridiculous selections and top-notch maintenance/knowledge/prices etc to stop in the Petco unless I happen to be at the store next door trying to spend all of my money on Frank Zappa and Dead records......

I have nothing against them in terms of little animals/fish/whatever.

There is a special place in hell for people who support pet-shops that sell dogs though...... I don’t “rescue” but with the internet etc, it’s not hard to seek out a reputable breeder.....

$9k (yep) for a French Bulldog at the local pet-store in the mall, and the price is the very least of my concerns with it....

I believe (after talking to a couple Petco managers - 2 that do not have salt water sections - 1 that does) - that the quality indeed does vary quite a bit with the managers and staff at the store. Petco (supposedly) - wants stores to take saltwater only if they have the expertise to do so - I'm sure this is not the case always - but the one that I have been to - the manager was more knowledgeable about Observation QT, filtration etc - than many here. And he had excellent livestock in his store (and had been the manager for I believe more than a decade).

Don't want to derail the thread - as to dogs - you'd be surprised at all the shenanigans involved in selling/rescuing dogs in the US.
 
I find this to be very true. Just like any LFS, the staff determines if it is a good store or one to avoid. I applaud the fact you spent your own money to treat fish correctly, at the risk of your job. Finding LFS with staff like yourself definitely justifies paying more for livestock.
 
I believe (after talking to a couple Petco managers - 2 that do not have salt water sections - 1 that does) - that the quality indeed does vary quite a bit with the managers and staff at the store. Petco (supposedly) - wants stores to take saltwater only if they have the expertise to do so - I'm sure this is not the case always - but the one that I have been to - the manager was more knowledgeable about Observation QT, filtration etc - than many here. And he had excellent livestock in his store (and had been the manager for I believe more than a decade).

Don't want to derail the thread - as to dogs - you'd be surprised at all the shenanigans involved in selling/rescuing dogs in the US.
none of the petcos (at least in the midwest) sell their own dogs. They let a nonprofit take the space and they adopt out rescue dogs or cats. I think petco used to sell dogs but I again people think "big chain must be puppy mill dogs" and that's a reason I've heard that they stopped getting dogs. Either way that was before my time so idk.
 
I find this to be very true. Just like any LFS, the staff determines if it is a good store or one to avoid. I applaud the fact you spent your own money to treat fish correctly, at the risk of your job. Finding LFS with staff like yourself definitely justifies paying more for livestock.
it really hurt my wallet when I started with paragaurd. 50 dollars for I think it was a gallon of the stuff. Had to be dosed everyday into a 300 gallon system. You blow through that stuff quick lol. Eventually just went to copper because it was really only managing symptoms like ich and copper was cheaper.

Although I loved paragaurd because it also dealt with bacterial infections and stuff. I still kept some on hand for chromis that I would qt on arrival, for some reason chromis always came in with something and paragaurd covered most of the diseases
 
none of the petcos (at least in the midwest) sell their own dogs. They let a nonprofit take the space and they adopt out rescue dogs or cats. I think petco used to sell dogs but I again people think "big chain must be puppy mill dogs" and that's a reason I've heard that they stopped getting dogs. Either way that was before my time so idk.

Right - sorry - I wasn't I implying anything about Petco and Dogs - it was a comment based on the end of the other post. Basically - In our area it has occurred that dogs in 'rescues' have actually been found to be 'puppy mills'. Additionally - many breeders one can find on the internet may not be that credible. I was just saying that just because a dog is in a pet store doesnt mean its from a puppy mill or mistreated - and vice versa - just becasue a dog comes from a 'breeder' - or a 'rescue' doesnt mean its been well treated.
 
IMO treating fish with medications under the table is irresponsible, especially copper. Someone could come in on your day off and want a piece of liverock that is saturated with copper, releasing it into their setup.
 
IMO treating fish with medications under the table is irresponsible, especially copper. Someone could come in on your day off and want a piece of liverock that is saturated with copper, releasing it into their setup.
didn't sell my live rock, because again it was garbage. People actually ask and first time it happened thought it was a joke. But yeah, everyone in my store who would sell fish knew about the copper in the system, and knew not to sell the live rock, and on occasion people would ask for our crushed coral to help jump their tank. the answer was always no.
 
didn't sell my live rock, because again it was garbage. People actually ask and first time it happened thought it was a joke. But yeah, everyone in my store who would sell fish knew about the copper in the system, and knew not to sell the live rock, and on occasion people would ask for our crushed coral to help jump their tank. the answer was always no.

Oh gotcha! :)
 
Thanks for the insight from your experience at Petco. I worked at an independent pet store in the late 80's, back when that was mostly what existed. My experience was very different than yours, but I'll bet there are some things that were in common (like people trying to bring stuff back under unreasonable conditions).

Posts like this usually make me wonder if the powers that be at R2R ever considered a dedicated forum for discussion of behind-the-scenes topics in the trade? I'd love to hear more from folks who try to make a living on the retail side of this, not in a way that encourages or discourages business to their particular shop, but more about the challenges that these businesses face when doing business on the volume they need to do, and what techniques they have developed to make it all work. For instance, I used to have to do water changes on >50 tanks (for whatever reason, the owner where I worked ran every tank as it's own system), and doing that many tanks taught me a few things about how to do this most efficiently. Stuff like that might be of interest to the general membership here ...
 
Thanks for the insight from your experience at Petco. I worked at an independent pet store in the late 80's, back when that was mostly what existed. My experience was very different than yours, but I'll bet there are some things that were in common (like people trying to bring stuff back under unreasonable conditions).

Posts like this usually make me wonder if the powers that be at R2R ever considered a dedicated forum for discussion of behind-the-scenes topics in the trade? I'd love to hear more from folks who try to make a living on the retail side of this, not in a way that encourages or discourages business to their particular shop, but more about the challenges that these businesses face when doing business on the volume they need to do, and what techniques they have developed to make it all work. For instance, I used to have to do water changes on >50 tanks (for whatever reason, the owner where I worked ran every tank as it's own system), and doing that many tanks taught me a few things about how to do this most efficiently. Stuff like that might be of interest to the general membership here ...
Dang 50 individual tanks that sucks. My hoses once broke and I was doing water changes the good old fashion way with a bucket and a siphon on seven three hundred gallon systems (its actually 250 but 300 sounds more impressive lol).

I've thought about what other people think about working in fish stores. For me it can be super rewarding but also one of the most frustrating as people will blame you for their mistakes. But yeah it would be cool to have a separate forum
 
Liberty Missouri Petco the woman who runs the fish section has 25 years I've never bought anything unhealthy sick or dying from her matter of fact every fish in my 75 reef has come from Petco from her fish literally are eating right out of the bag now you go to other stores in the Kansas City area petco's and their fish are crap nobody cares it's just like another piece of furniture so it all comes down to individuals not stores one store(LFS) I can think of in the Kansas City area sells their fish right out of the bag right off the truck never seen a healthy fish in a store yet
 
I have a local Petco that has good selection of fish and no ich to be found.

Not so long ago, I bought half a dozen of fish and they are all with me; not a single fish lost. No issues there.

I too agree that quality of stock depends on staff members and their knowledge.

That said, quarantine is crucial.
 
In this hobby, it's going to be the consumer's responsibility. I have had worst luck at LFS with fish disease than I had with asking Petco to order me a fish and they kept it bagged for me until I picked it up. Not sure if this is available at every Petco, but I had 100% success rate with no signs of disease while in quarantine this way.
 

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