Petco rescue, two tangs

tdlawdo · Apr 30, 2019

ngoodermuth said:
If there is specific dosage instructions here, and it can be done before you can get the fenbendazole- it’s worth a try!

If you still have her 5g tank, I would set that back up for the 24-hour bath... then transfer her back to the 20g and resume antibiotics. I’m thinking it will be best to break down and clean the 20g with vinegar during the bath, then re-fill and start fresh.

Unfortunately, this means any bio-filter you’ve built up this far will be gone, so you’ll need more bio-spira and to keep a close eye on ammonia after she’s moved back.

A small snag I’m not sure the answer too? The human version of these ...azoles have saccharin in them. They are generally chewable and made this way in case a child can’t swallow pills. Only form available. Anyway, there was a study that showed saccharin can decrease photosynthesis in the plants eaten by water fleas (daphnia) then they are eaten by the fish and long term exposure ...blah blah blah. Nothing I can find about acute or short term effects. Glad to call this in just seeing what the group thinks first.

ngoodermuth · Apr 30, 2019

tdlawdo said:
A small snag I’m not sure the answer too? The human version of these ...azoles have saccharin in them. They are generally chewable and made this way in case a child can’t swallow pills. Only form available. Anyway, there was a study that showed saccharin can decrease photosynthesis in the plants eaten by water fleas (daphnia) then they are eaten by the fish and long term exposure ...blah blah blah. Nothing I can find about acute or short term effects. Glad to call this in just seeing what the group thinks first.

I found this article, which puts saccharin at the “top” of the negative effects list when exposed to developing fish embryos, even above caffeine. It says when introduced to zebrafish hatchlings it induced a 92% mortality rate [emoji15]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4562911/

I’m not sure how this would translate to adult, fully matured fish but I’m not experienced or knowledgeable enough to weigh in one way or another on the risk vs. benefits here...

tdlawdo · Apr 30, 2019

ngoodermuth said:
I found this article, which puts saccharin at the “top” of the negative effects list when exposed to developing fish embryos, even above caffeine. It says when introduced to zebrafish hatchlings it induced a 92% mortality rate [emoji15]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4562911/

Yes I saw that. Good point. Of course the developing embryo much more fragile. Yikes. I’ll let you all decided the rock benefit ratio of waiting vs starting.

I can tell you that Panacur also has fillers to include saccharin similar chemicals, dextrose, maltodextran, and other starch fillers.

Mjrenz · Apr 30, 2019

I just stopped back by my house to check on her, she still looks good. Just to recap what I've done: 30 minute MB bath, dropped salinity to 1.017, and I've unplugged the heater (room temp is 74). The light is also off

Mjrenz · Apr 30, 2019

tdlawdo said:
A small snag I’m not sure the answer too? The human version of these ...azoles have saccharin in them. They are generally chewable and made this way in case a child can’t swallow pills. Only form available. Anyway, there was a study that showed saccharin can decrease photosynthesis in the plants eaten by water fleas (daphnia) then they are eaten by the fish and long term exposure ...blah blah blah. Nothing I can find about acute or short term effects. Glad to call this in just seeing what the group thinks first.

Would a pharmacy that does compounding possibly have it available without saccharin?

4FordFamily · Apr 30, 2019

You’re in good hands here it seems, sorry I am at Disney world with limited access to my phone this week!

Gogoggansgo · Apr 30, 2019

Petco Merrillville indiana. I reported there ***** and posted it on the saltwater page it didn’t go over well

Mjrenz · Apr 30, 2019

4FordFamily said:
You’re in good hands here it seems, sorry I am at Disney world with limited access to my phone this week!

That's ok, I figured I'd have the best chance of someone being online if I tagged everyone. Thanks for the response!

Mjrenz · Apr 30, 2019

Gogoggansgo said:
Petco Merrillville indiana. I reported there ***** and posted it on the saltwater page it didn’t go over well

Those poor fish

Mjrenz · Apr 30, 2019

My daughter just sent me this. Baby Dory is still doing well

MombasaLionfish · Apr 30, 2019

How is the bigger tank plan going?

Mjrenz · Apr 30, 2019

MombasaLionfish said:
How is the bigger tank plan going?

I wasn't able to get it this past weekend, I'll know more tomorrow

Mjrenz · Apr 30, 2019

I just got home and she's looking good, breathing normal, and eating! What's the best plan until I get the fenbendazole @Frtdrmrose7 @ngoodermuth? MB if she starts to go downhill again?

Salinity is still at 1.017
Heater is still unplugged
Light is off
3 airstones going in the tank
Power head for surface agitation
I also haven't dosed the abx back up since I changed out about 50% of the water to drop the salinity this morning

Paleozoic_reefer · Apr 30, 2019

Wow! What remarkable progress she’s made!

Mjrenz · Apr 30, 2019

Paleozoic_reefer said:
Wow! What remarkable progress she’s made!

She looks so much better! I really thought she wasn't going to make it this morning

Frtdrmrose7 · Apr 30, 2019

Mjrenz said:
I just got home and she's looking good, breathing normal, and eating! What's the best plan until I get the fenbendazole @Frtdrmrose7 @ngoodermuth? MB if she starts to go downhill again?

Salinity is still at 1.017
Heater is still unplugged
Light is off
3 airstones going in the tank
Power head for surface agitation
I also haven't dosed the abx back up since I changed out about 50% of the water to drop the salinity this morning

I think she’ll be ok short term but the MB would be the best bet in a worst case scenario

Mjrenz · Apr 30, 2019

Frtdrmrose7 said:
I think she’ll be ok short term but the MB would be the best bet in a worst case scenario

Should I leave everything the way it is for right now?

Mastiffsrule · Apr 30, 2019

Mjrenz said:
I just got home and she's looking good, breathing normal, and eating! What's the best plan until I get the fenbendazole @Frtdrmrose7 @ngoodermuth? MB if she starts to go downhill again?

Salinity is still at 1.017
Heater is still unplugged
Light is off
3 airstones going in the tank
Power head for surface agitation
I also haven't dosed the abx back up since I changed out about 50% of the water to drop the salinity this morning