Phosphate levels

70s ULNS? What? Nobody even heard of or tried ULNS until Zeovit, carbon dosing and GFO came around about a decade ago - it was long after the internet message board came about. People decades ago just changed water, had a fuge and didn't have names like ULNS -they really didn't even have test kits and could tell that they needed to know about their tank by just looking at it. They also fought less phosphates since nobody used dry/dead rock and had less nitrates since people used sand. This has been written about a few times, but a 197s or 1980s tank was usually more solid and reliable than a tank in the 2000s since people had no ability to tinker and just let nature work. It does seem that people are starting to keep it simple more lately.

Both Phosphates and Nitrates are poisons in high enough of quantities, but both are necessary for life. Too much will first start to inhibit calcification and then lead to death. I would stay under 5 and .1 for optimum growth and color, but you could probably be 5x that high and still have some results. 10x that high and you are going to have problems. The coralline is the first thing to stop thriving when they get too high.
 
70s ULNS? What? Nobody even heard of or tried ULNS until Zeovit, carbon dosing and GFO came around about a decade ago.

Actually tests from the GBR conducted in the mid-late 70's are where the ULNS standard came from, due to NSW levels of no3/po4 being nearly non existent. The whole goal was to replicate the ocean. But you are correct, we didn't have the means to create that until a little later.

Both Phosphates and Nitrates are poisons in high enough of quantities, but both are necessary for life. Too much will first start to inhibit calcification and then lead to death. I would stay under 5 and .1 for optimum growth and color, but you could probably be 5x that high and still have some results. 10x that high and you are going to have problems. The coralline is the first thing to stop thriving when they get too high.

This is precisely the information that came from the reports i'm talking about. They are heavily disputed. As far as I'm concerned, this is a reefing old wives tale.
 
Why don't you go ahead and let your N climb to 100 and P t0 1.0 and see what happens? I am not saying that trying to chase zero is smart - I don't advocate this unless there is a very specific reason by a very seasoned reefer, but saying that calcification and that inverts in general do not suffer under high phosphate and nitrate levels is a dangerous statement. There is actual science on this, actual examples in nature of entire biotopes wiped out by nutrients less than this as well as decades of anecdotal experiences. I have not seen anything other than metallic green mushrooms and some colt/kenya-tree live for long under these circumstances in actual tanks - coralline had long stopped growing.
 
Are you on the Metric System? The numbers that Dr. Joshi gave to Mike Paletta in March were .12-.22 P and 20-40 N. In what numerical system is that higher than 1.0 and 100? I would love to see people who have had thriving tanks for long that have more than 1.0 and 100 - I would love to study them since I have not seen any 25 years. Do you have any actual verified links where the math actually works?
 
Are you on the Metric System? The numbers that Dr. Joshi gave to Mike Paletta in March were .12-.22 P and 20-40 N. In what numerical system is that higher than 1.0 and 100? I would love to see people who have had thriving tanks for long that have more than 1.0 and 100 - I would love to study them since I have not seen any 25 years. Do you have any actual verified links where the math actually works?


You know, two or three times now you've chimed into threads like this and been a complete jerk. What is your problem? I'm glad ULNS works for you -- It doesn't work for *most* people though. Most people who've kept reefs for years on ULNS start running into problems.

THis is not the first time you've argued with me -- If you're incapable of having a civil discussion like an adult male, then kindly keep the hell away from anything I say.
 
I have specifically said over and over and over that I DO NOT RUN UNLS AND DO NOT RECOMMEND IT. It is on this page in post #43 and probably all of those other threads that I was a jerk on. Saying that N and P in high levels cannot hurt any invert and specifically corals is just wrong. Details matter and this is a big one.
 

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