Pincushion urchins eating zoas

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Ive been researching if Urchins eat zoas and based on reading there are two camps:

1) urchins will cross over top of zoas in their eating path... the zoas will hide....but once the urchin passes over the zoas return to normal. Zoas are toxic and won't be eaten by urchins.

2) urchins can and do eat zoas, eventually

I'm here to say that it's a mixture of both schools of thought.

Urchins WILL EAT ZOAS if the right circumstances occur:

* if the zoas are relatively non toxic and doesn't have much, if at all, any palytoxin

* if the zoas are already starting to slowly melt or are injured/hiding due to some problem in the tank

* if the urchin is starving for algae and not finding much to scavenge

I personally witnessed a colony of about 10heads of Utter Chaos that were hiding, struggling a little bit due to some unknown water quality change. 4 of the 10 heads were hiding, shriveled.

I saw my pincushion urchin take the opportunity rather quickly to beeline it to that area...(maybe they can smell struggling zoas in the water column)

I watched, off and on, the urchin slowly move over the utter chaos. In about 2 hours once the urchin moved off that area, there was nothing but bare LR. any evidence of utter chaos being there were G.O.N.E. .... all utter chaos tissue was stripped to bare rock. Before the urchin moved in 4 heads were hiding/struggling but when the urchin was gone it ate the 4 struggling heads and the 6 fully extended heads

CONCLUSION:

* I'm CONVINCED urchins do if fact eat zoas if the zoas are struggling/shriveled.

* Urchins are scavengers and will eat algae, meat, coral tissue. They are little garbage trucks eating coral tissue that is wounded/struggling/dying.

* urchins will eat zoas that are low in toxicity

* once they hover over a struggling zoa, expect the whole colony to be probably eaten
 
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Ugh, I sure hope you are wrong but I doubt it. I've been wondering why my rastas which were multiplying fast but recently seem to be on the decline. Some stopped opening, then they just sort of shrink and disappear. Bought our first urchin like 3 months ago (I do see the urchin go right over them but I never really thought about it). Now I'm really wondering. Maybe I should move him over from the 13.5 gallon to the 60 cube, where it will have more to eat (that isn't zoas). Thanks for sharing your observation.
 
To revive an old thread: just witnessed this same thing happen to my Rasta zoas. Had a colony of about 20 polyps reduced by half when the pincushion urchin wandered over them. Some of them were a bit closed and maybe were struggling, but he seemed to leave about half of them alone and just passed by. The rest were reduced to bare live rock. Ha.
 
I have an urchin and so far he is a model citizen, I have zoas including rastas and he has been on that rack a ton of times and all he took away was GHA. I'm not saying it doesn't or won't happen, but it hasn't with my Meatball lol
 
I have an urchin and so far he is a model citizen, I have zoas including rastas and he has been on that rack a ton of times and all he took away was GHA. I'm not saying it doesn't or won't happen, but it hasn't with my Meatball lol
What type of urchin? My tuxedo leaves everything alone, the Pincushion is the wild card in the cases mentioned in this thread it seems.
 
What type of urchin? My tuxedo leaves everything alone, the Pincushion is the wild card in the cases mentioned in this thread it seems.
Pincushion, handsome fella lol
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Correction on my previous post. My urchin did not eat my Rasta zoas… he ripped the frag plug off and flipped it over, so I thought they were gone! Hahaha. Not a Zoa eater in my tank.
 
I have an one in my tank with about 1000 zoas and haven’t noticed any missing

only thing that happens is it actually will take the zoa on a ride. But I actually don’t mind this. Easiest fragging I ever did
 
My experience with urchins is theyll taste test anything. Even if its not in their diet ive seen them damage some corals, not wipe out a whole colony but still injured them.
 
Correction on my previous post. My urchin did not eat my Rasta zoas… he ripped the frag plug off and flipped it over, so I thought they were gone! Hahaha. Not a Zoa eater in my tank.
Now that I believe, they should be sold under the genus BULLDOZER!!!
 
IMO when something eats something you know it

mid your urchin had a taste for zoas you wouldn’t have any zoas in your tank

my rabbitfish has a taste for zoas
It’s not a few missing i put a colony of over 50 heads on Green Bay packers came back couple hours later. Gone

I keep trying now and then to keep zoas in my main tank but I simple can’t

he won’t touch grandis palys though. I have a nice colony of about 50

he also leaves some other palys alone. I just had to make sure I start with a nice little bunch.
Yes I know palys are more toxic then zoas
 
IMO when something eats something you know it

mid your urchin had a taste for zoas you wouldn’t have any zoas in your tank

my rabbitfish has a taste for zoas
It’s not a few missing i put a colony of over 50 heads on Green Bay packers came back couple hours later. Gone

I keep trying now and then to keep zoas in my main tank but I simple can’t

he won’t touch grandis palys though. I have a nice colony of about 50

he also leaves some other palys alone. I just had to make sure I start with a nice little bunch.
Yes I know palys are more toxic then zoas
If that happened to my zoas...
I'd call Elmer J. Fudd!
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I just re-homed (back to the store) my black spiny urchin yesterday because I know for a fact that it ate 3 of my new zoanthid frags.
 
I have a blue tuxedo and been fine for two weeks now I have woke twice to him being right on my chocolate chip zoa and he is definitely eating then. I’ll be trading him back in this weekend. It sucks he was active and cool and everything I read was reef safe till I found this thread today.
 
I’ll add again that I confirmed mine didn’t eat the zoas. I was mistaken.

Also, love that they eat coraline algae. The stuff is a plague!
 

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