Please help... I can't get nitrates down.

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Tank is 5 month running. Been keeping some corals and a few fish with no problems. I had nitrates down to zero all along then the last month they have been at 40ppm and a little higher and I can't seem to bring them down. I have been doing regular water changes and I don't over feed. I've done 3 water changes in the last 3 weeks and I still don't see a drop in nitrates. I changed all my filter media, carbon, purigen etc and still. I use rodi water. I'm just puzzled and worried that my livestock will start feeling the effects. Can anyone help with suggestions. Thank you!
 
We will need some more info here. What size tank? Whats your bioloasd as in how many fish and what size are they? How often and how much do you feed. What are you feeding?
 
High nitrates are caused by excess nutrients period. That can be from overfeeding your fish, corals, or bioload to much for your filter system to be able to keep up. Water changes are only a temporary fix. You have to find the source of your excess nutrients. Good live rock,circulation and protein skimming usually will keep nitrates at bay. If all else fails consider carbon dosing.
 
It's a 29g biocube with intank media basket. I have stock return and 2 koralia 425. I feed once a day it's pellets and usually nothing reaches the grown. I have cuc and bristle worms that you think would consume waste. I have 4 fish and all are pretty small (2 clowns, green goby, royal gramma.). I started tank with 25lbs of live rock and 20 lbs of live sand. I had nitrates down all along up until now. It coincides with my GSP not opening up anymore but thankfully everything else looks ok so far. I'm planning on doing another wc on Saturday but dnt know if it will make a difference.
 
You might wish to try Purigen, Matrix, or some other nitrate absorbing filter media in you media baskets. Reduce feeding to every other day and consider putting a skimmer on that tank.
 
I would say you need more flow.2 koralia 425s isn't much at all.probaly have a lot of build up in your sand?
 
I am going to a different route on this one. Are you measuring your source water? I had a similar issue once in my life, and the issue was my RO filters had went bad so the issue was my source water and not anything in the tank.

Have you checked the source water at all?
 
I would like to suggest that you may have had a die-off of your denitrifying bacteria. Blow as much detritus as you can out of your live rock with a turkey baster (to make sure the areas where these bacteria will settle and do their work is accessible), then add Dr. Tim's Waste-Away, which will supply a fresh culture of these bacteria. Better flow and some macroalgae (pick chaeto over the very invasive caulerpa), as the others have noted, should help too.

How deep is your sand bed? Do you have a healthy population of species which live inside the sand?
 
Hi Christo yes I have. I get my rodi from a water store that has the latest and best systems. TDS is always low if not zero

Can you suggest some macro algae so I can look into it?
 
Good info Eienna thanks. My sandbed is about 2" deep and I have your average cuc I got from reefcleaners. Can I use the macro algae even if I don't have a refugium? When I blow the rocks off do I shut off powerheads and let filter suck everything up? How does that work?

Tank has also been running alil high in temp this summer. Does that have anything to do with nitrates? I thank all of you for helping me!
 
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This my tank. Like I said its a biocube 29. It seems pretty full to me as far as LR. will adding more LR be helpful also?
 
Now, I'm no expert by any means, but I have been doing some studying on these sorts of things.

At this point in the game I would not add more rock of any kind. It looks a bit crowded as-is. You do want swimming room, and the amount you have may be restricting your water flow and allowing things to collect in crevices. Even with good flow, stuff can collect in the rocks, blocking the pores the denitrifiers live in and creating ammonia (which, as you know, becomes nitrate) since it's just sitting there rotting. You want to blow this detritus out of the rock so the filter can remove it, and so your CUC has a way to get to what's left. I personally would leave the powerheads on so the junk doesn't settle again before it can be removed.

Now, about the sand bed...shallower beds like that do not support denitrifying bacteria, and will probably not become anaerobic like a deep bed can, but like a deep sand bed it still needs creatures digging in it and eating what settles inside the bed. I learned in freshwater that if you use sand, it must be stirred occasionally to kick out the junk to be removed. Your crew should be doing this job for you since it's a reef, but if they don't dig they may be missing junk below. Copepods, amphipods, nassarius snails, dwarf planaxis snails, and (I believe) dwarf cerith snails are helpful for this.

You can put your macroalgae in the display, but certain creatures (such as my turbo snails, or algae-eating fish) may well consume it. Calcareous algae such as mermaid's fan or shaving brush are good choices if you choose to keep in in the display. Chaeto's great but doesn't last long in my tank XD

I don't think temperature's really an issue here unless it's excessive; however, I imagine it could cause a die-off of some inverts that come from temperate waters. Those decomposing could add extra bioload for a while.

Keep in mind you're not trying to blast the rocks apart, and there may be organisms you don't want to injure. It takes a little feeling out but I'm sure you'll get it.

Once you're satisfied that you won't get any more junk out without the use of excessive force, gently blow off any particles, especially of sand, that have settled on your corals.
 
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I had a biocube also. Nitrates were always a problem untill i startes cleaning out the back compartments with each water change. You would be amazed at how much detritus builds up back there. Just pull your racks out of the back and siphon those compartments out.
 
Thank you all so much!! I'm gona do another water change today and clean everything out and blow off any debris. I also just bought another pw to increase flow. Is it more important to add flow to the surface of the water or lower in the tank or does it not matter?
 
I have a Hydor FLO rotating deflector on the return that sends it in all directions plus a mini Polario 7ml (which I may switch for a smaller unit or a Koralia Nano 425 at some point). That seems to provide more than enough flow. I also have a Hydor Slim Skim Nano in chamber 1, which has made a big difference in water quality.

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