please help ID!!!!

[Borgie234]

got a butterfly and regal angel from LA on tuesday... both fish are in QT. Noticed these on the butterfly after getting him into the QT... but today I noticed it seemed to have spread to his side fins. iam not sure if its ick as it seems to be a bit bigger than what iam used to seeing ich. it also doesnt appear to be on his body just more on the end of his back fins and in the middle of his side fin. if its ich I have cupermine and was going to treat with it but I wanted to wait until both fish where eating well... any advice I would greatly appreciate it

 

[Borgie234]

I worried that it could be Lymphocystis. if it is what should I do?

 

[Katrina71]

#reefsquad

 

[Redfoxtang]

Looks like Lympho to me!! Very popular in copperbands, once out of QT and feed plenty of nutrition food it will subside!!

 

[Borgie234]

Looks like Lympho to me!! Very popular in copperbands, once out of QT and feed plenty of nutrition food it will subside!!

as off now I have only seen him eat out of a live oyster and live brine. also I did place a live rock in there (while I am not treating) and saw him picking at that. I have tried offering frozen but he shows no interest as of yet. Does his current diet consider to be nutritious? and should I worry about the regal??

 

[Redfoxtang]

Lymphocystis

Lymphocystis What You Need To Know: * This is a virus that many fish carry for life. The white nodules (cauliflower-like growths) can grow both externally and internally; so symptoms are not always visible. * There is no known cure for Lympho. However, feeding vitamin-enriched foods and...

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Here is a good article!

 

[Borgie234]

Lymphocystis

Lymphocystis What You Need To Know: * This is a virus that many fish carry for life. The white nodules (cauliflower-like growths) can grow both externally and internally; so symptoms are not always visible. * There is no known cure for Lympho. However, feeding vitamin-enriched foods and...

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Here is a good article!

yea it is a great article. I read it while I was wanting on a intial reply. but thank you for the link. so my follow up question would be should I continue my initial plan and treat with cuppermine and prazipro (at different time) as preventive measures, once they start eating good or could that make the virus worse?

 

[Redfoxtang]

I am a big believer in treating all my fish with copper regardless if ich is visible or not! I also treat for flukes (prazipro) as well. Im not telling you to treat with copper but i do have a strict protocol when treating fish for diseases. If you start treatment now will it make it worse? Maybe, maybe not only time will tell to be honest. Keep up the feeding and make sure hes eating and all should be well!

 

[Borgie234]

yea it is a great article. I read it while I was wanting on a intial reply. but thank you for the link. so my follow up question would be should I continue my initial plan and treat with cuppermine and prazipro (at different time) as preventive measures, once they start eating good or could that make the virus worse?

I am a big believer in treating all my fish with copper regardless if ich is visible or not! I also treat for flukes (prazipro) as well. Im not telling you to treat with copper but i do have a strict protocol when treating fish for diseases. If you start treatment now will it make it worse? Maybe, maybe not only time will tell to be honest. Keep up the feeding and make sure hes eating and all should be well!

Thank you very much for the info... The reason iam so concern about ich is I got in my DT and currently in the middle of a 80 day fallow period. and really dont want to have to go through this again it took me all day getting them out of 180 gallon reef. By reading what I have read about ich, it's essentially on every fish. Just the matter of how much and how good the fishes health is determines if you can see it or not, would you concur with that statement?

 

[Redfoxtang]

I concur, so treat every fish as they have ich and go slow make sure they eat and i believe youll be successful!! When picking fish from the LFS i also always ask for them to feed so at least i know they are eating before i take them home for treatment!!

 

[vetteguy53081]

Lymphocystivirus. aka. . .cauliflower generally on all fins
As this fish has numerous lymphocystis nodules on its' fins, as long as it does not have it on important organs like the gills, which could cause impairment and greater chances of secondary infections by bacteria, parasites, or fungi that contribute to mortalities.
There really is no good treatment to speed up recovery from this disease. You pretty much have to let butterfly's infection run its course although fortunately in some cases of lymphocystis in warm water fish will resolve on its own after a few weeks, as long as husbandry is good, water quality/chemistry and good nutrition is present and fish not prone to stress.

 

[Borgie234]

I concur, so treat every fish as they have ich and go slow make sure they eat and i believe youll be successful!! When picking fish from the LFS i also always ask for them to feed so at least i know they are eating before i take them home for treatment!!

I concur, so treat every fish as they have ich and go slow make sure they eat and i believe youll be successful!! When picking fish from the LFS i also always ask for them to feed so at least i know they are eating before i take them home for treatment!!

Same here when I go to LFS but here lately I have had really good luck in getting fish from Live aquria. Plus you cant beat there 14 day guarantee. I typically like to split up my cuppermine doses amongst 8 days with equal treatments each day until I get to .5, seems to have work every fish I have even the ones that don't tolerate copper well (wrasses, angles, etc). Have you ever treated a fish with cuppermine while it has signs of Lymphocystis

 

[Borgie234]

Lymphocystivirus. aka. . .cauliflower generally on all fins
As this fish has numerous lymphocystis nodules on its' fins, as long as it does not have it on important organs like the gills, which could cause impairment and greater chances of secondary infections by bacteria, parasites, or fungi that contribute to mortalities.
There really is no good treatment to speed up recovery from this disease. You pretty much have to let butterfly's infection run its course although fortunately in some cases of lymphocystis in warm water fish will resolve on its own after a few weeks, as long as husbandry is good, water quality/chemistry and good nutrition is present and fish not prone to stress.

thank you for the info, could you chime in as well in regards with treating him with cuppermine and prazi while showing signs of Lymphocystis

 

[Borgie234]

I concur, so treat every fish as they have ich and go slow make sure they eat and i believe youll be successful!! When picking fish from the LFS i also always ask for them to feed so at least i know they are eating before i take them home for treatment!!

on a side note would you mind sharing your qt procedure? like what preventive meds u use and for how long

 

[Redfoxtang]

My Current QT Process

UPDATE, 10/9/22: For those looking for quarantine information, our current process is kept updated on the first page of this thread (post any questions at the end of the thread). https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/current-quarantine-protocol.825055/ Thanks, Jay Hemdal I am frequently...

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I follow this to the T. I have never failed unless the fish was already beyond saving!!

 

[Borgie234]

My Current QT Process

UPDATE, 10/9/22: For those looking for quarantine information, our current process is kept updated on the first page of this thread (post any questions at the end of the thread). https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/current-quarantine-protocol.825055/ Thanks, Jay Hemdal I am frequently...

www.reef2reef.com

I follow this to the T. I have never failed unless the fish was already beyond saving!!

ok thanks again.. very much appreciate your advice... wish me luck... I'll try to remember to give you an update later on if you would like

 

[Redfoxtang]

Absolutely keep us updated!! We are here to help!