Please Id this clown pair

[inkvitalis]

what is the possible outcome?

 

[Amoo]

They look like Percula with the Female possibly being from the c-quest/onyx line, but check my signature and count and see what you come up with.

 

[ShaunRobinson]

And good luck on getting them to keep still long enough for a close up photo!

 

[WestOhooligan]

They are not percula. They are both ocellaris. Your female looks like a mocha or the offspring of a darwin and and orange ocellaris. When in doubt, the dead giveaway is their eyes. Ocellaris have the black demon eyes, percula clowns have orange ringed eyes. The only time that doesn't work is when you're dealing with percula/ocellaris mixes.

Dark Ocellaris eyes:

Orange/washed out Percula eyes:

 

[ShaunRobinson]

They are not percula. They are both ocellaris. Your female looks like a mocha or the offspring of a darwin and and orange ocellaris. When in doubt, the dead giveaway is their eyes. Ocellaris have the black demon eyes, percula clowns have orange ringed eyes. The only time that doesn't work is when you're dealing with percula/ocellaris mixes.

Dark Ocellaris eyes:

Orange/washed out Percula eyes:

Hi mate. Interesting. I've never heard of this before? Can I ask where you got it from please?

Thanks.

 

[WestOhooligan]

Hi mate. Interesting. I've never heard of this before? Can I ask where you got it from please?

Thanks.

Got what? The thing with they eyes? Most clownfish experts/breeders have known about this for a long time.

 

[themcnertney]

Try to give the dorsal fins a count. 10 is a true perc, 11 is a false perc (ocellaris) I believe.

 

[ShaunRobinson]

Got what? The thing with they eyes? Most clownfish experts/breeders have known about this for a long time.

Yes sorry I meant the eyes. I'm wasn't doubting you at all, it's just that I had never heard of id'ing by the eyes before and was curious as to the origin. Just trying to broaden my knowledge as always.​

 

[WestOhooligan]

Yes sorry I meant the eyes. I'm wasn't doubting you at all, it's just that I had never heard of id'ing by the eyes before and was curious as to the origin. Just trying to broaden my knowledge as always.​

It was something I was told years ago my a marine biologist friend. I've also been in this hobby a very long time and I'm a breeder. Perculas are my passion.

Not for nothing, but I hate when a clown shows some melanistic properties and the first jump is to "C-quest onyx blah blah blah". Look at my big onyx female in that pic. If you think she's C-Quest lineage that would be wrong. She came to me straight from Bali. Didn't show any onyx coloring when she was a juvenile, but the older she got, the more the black filled in. I just happened to get lucky.

 

[ShaunRobinson]

It was something I was told years ago my a marine biologist friend. I've also been in this hobby a very long time and I'm a breeder. Perculas are my passion.

Not for nothing, but I hate when a clown shows some melanistic properties and the first jump is to "C-quest onyx blah blah blah". Look at my big onyx female in that pic. If you think she's C-Quest lineage that would be wrong. She came to me straight from Bali. Didn't show any onyx coloring when she was a juvenile, but the older she got, the more the black filled in. I just happened to get lucky.

Thanks for the reply, always nice to have new info regarding clowns. I just found this too which gives the same info.

 

[WestOhooligan]

And if you look at their picture, it's a percula in the photo! lol!

 

[Amoo]

It was something I was told years ago my a marine biologist friend. I've also been in this hobby a very long time and I'm a breeder. Perculas are my passion.

Not for nothing, but I hate when a clown shows some melanistic properties and the first jump is to "C-quest onyx blah blah blah". Look at my big onyx female in that pic. If you think she's C-Quest lineage that would be wrong. She came to me straight from Bali. Didn't show any onyx coloring when she was a juvenile, but the older she got, the more the black filled in. I just happened to get lucky.

read my signature

 

[WestOhooligan]

read my signature

Nice! Put that S**T in black bold man!

 

[Amoo]

Nice! Put that S**T in black bold man!

Sadly neither means of identification is 100% reliable, with the dorsal fin count being the more reliable and the eye being the least of the two. There's so much mixing these days it's becoming tougher and tough to piece together anything resembling a legitimate identification, but the dorsal count is still the best one we've got.

 

[WestOhooligan]

Sadly neither means of identification is 100% reliable, with the dorsal fin count being the more reliable and the eye being the least of the two. There's so much mixing these days it's becoming tougher and tough to piece together anything resembling a legitimate identification, but the dorsal count is still the best one we've got.

Exactly. I mentioned that as well. With the cross breeding of ocellaris and percula, it's difficult to know without the breeder to reveal their lineage. My first clowns I produced where hybrids, but now that I'm getting back into breeding, I won't be doing that. I've even procured a wild male perc from Bali to pair with my current onyx/picasso. My new percula clowns will not be inbred whatsoever. I just want to bring some nice, "normal" clowns back into the stores here in NYC.

 

[inkvitalis]

Will try to count tomorrow