Plumbing 2 sumpless tanks together

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How do I plumb 2 sumpless tanks together? I just want enough flow for them to share water chemistry, I was thinking the tubing used for water filter systems. Not sure what hardware connections i need or if i need 2 pumps?

Please dont tell me to get a sump, I can figure that out if there's no easy way to do this
 
O btw. One of the tanks is an ATO where I can hide a pump easily.
 
Following! I have a 125 and 55 I'd like to join. Neither are drilled and not at the same exact height. I was thinking hob overflows and an inline return pump..? Could really use a diagram.
 
Following! I have a 125 and 55 I'd like to join. Neither are drilled and not at the same exact height. I was thinking hob overflows and an inline return pump..? Could really use a diagram.
Im actually kinda considering an overflow too. The one tank just has a hob filter so it would be nice to have a little skimming in there
 
If they are differing heights then you could just treat the lower tank as the sump. Run an overflow from a weir in tank 1 into tank 2 and run a return pumping water from tank 2 back to tank 1.

If the height difference is not very significant you will need to prime the overflow line when you first start the system running and every time you turn the return off as air will fill the overflow line.

Just like when you have a sump you need to be careful that you leave enough height between the waterline and the top of the tank in tank 2 to accomodate all the water that normally sits in the overflow, otherwise when you stop the return the overflow will empty and tank 2 will fill and cause a spill.

If both tanks are at the same or very similar heights then it’s more difficult. Trying to pump from each tank into the other will quickly result in overfilling one tank and flooding. Maybe you could use high level redundancy (e.g. sensors and float valves to shut off if the sensor fails) but it will be complicated, fiddly and ugly.

Here’s a quick thought bubble. If both tanks are at exactly the same height you might be able run a closed loop between both tanks fairly safely as long as the flow is not too high. Put two bulkheads in each tank. Connect the top bulkhead in tank 1 to a pump and then to the low bulkhead in tank 2. Connect the top bulkhead in tank 2 to the bottom bulkhead in tank 1. As you pump water from tank 1 to tank 2 that will increase the head pressure in tank 2 and water will then flow through the return connection back into tank 1. Tank 2 will have a slightly higher water level than tank 1, how much depends on the flow.

Hopefully others who have actually tried this will chime in. Good luck.
 
If they are differing heights then you could just treat the lower tank as the sump. Run an overflow from a weir in tank 1 into tank 2 and run a return pumping water from tank 2 back to tank 1.

If the height difference is not very significant you will need to prime the overflow line when you first start the system running and every time you turn the return off as air will fill the overflow line.

Just like when you have a sump you need to be careful that you leave enough height between the waterline and the top of the tank in tank 2 to accomodate all the water that normally sits in the overflow, otherwise when you stop the return the overflow will empty and tank 2 will fill and cause a spill.

If both tanks are at the same or very similar heights then it’s more difficult. Trying to pump from each tank into the other will quickly result in overfilling one tank and flooding. Maybe you could use high level redundancy (e.g. sensors and float valves to shut off if the sensor fails) but it will be complicated, fiddly and ugly.

Here’s a quick thought bubble. If both tanks are at exactly the same height you might be able run a closed loop between both tanks fairly safely as long as the flow is not too high. Put two bulkheads in each tank. Connect the top bulkhead in tank 1 to a pump and then to the low bulkhead in tank 2. Connect the top bulkhead in tank 2 to the bottom bulkhead in tank 1. As you pump water from tank 1 to tank 2 that will increase the head pressure in tank 2 and water will then flow through the return connection back into tank 1. Tank 2 will have a slightly higher water level than tank 1, how much depends on the flow.

Hopefully others who have actually tried this will chime in. Good luck.
One tanks half the height if the other so thats good. Why cant i have identical pumps with all the fittings attached from pump to pump? A pump in both tanks i mean, connected to eachother just sucking water in thru the pumps
 
There has gotta be a way to do this with dosing pumps... haha but seriously that might work perfectly for 2 10 gallon tanks like i have
 
So running elbow pipe over the edges of the tank leveled wont work? No pumps
 
Why cant i have identical pumps with all the fittings attached from pump to pump? A pump in both tanks i mean, connected to eachother just sucking water in thru the pumps
Because you will never be able to get the pumps to both pump at the same rate. You set it up, really, really carefully measure and calibrate both pumps. Life is good. Then a little bit more algae will build up in one pump than the other and voila, you have a flood.

You could use peristaltic dosing pumps (e.g. two Apex DOS heads), but that will be expensive and you would still need redundancy (e.g. optical high level sensors) in case they drift over time. Algae will still build up in these affecting their accuracy.
 
So running elbow pipe over the edges of the tank leveled wont work? No pumps

If the tanks are at different heights then all this would do is succeed in draining much of the higher tank into the lower tank, until it flooded.

If the tanks are at the same height then it won’t cause a flood, but it also won’t cause the water to mix either.

I know you don’t want to hear it, but really the way to do what you want is by adding a common sump to the two tanks. Unfortunately there just is not a functional way to plumb two tanks at a similar height together without a sump.
 
The water isnt stagnant so it would be impossible for it to not mix at all. The question is how much water will move thru the pipe? I don't need that much
 
If the tanks are at different heights then all this would do is succeed in draining much of the higher tank into the lower tank, until it flooded.

If the tanks are at the same height then it won’t cause a flood, but it also won’t cause the water to mix either.

I know you don’t want to hear it, but really the way to do what you want is by adding a common sump to the two tanks. Unfortunately there just is not a functional way to plumb two tanks at a similar height together without a sump.
Forgot to qute this see above please
 
I might try doing my idea with a pump un each tank and just do it manually every day and watch to make sure the levels stay right. I may spill some water eventually but its not gonna be an unmitigated flood since ill be right there. The tank is right next to the desk i work at
 

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