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What is the general take on poly filter pads? Can I cut one to size, and throw it into the outlet of my remora skimmer? it says it removes any contaminants, all forms of phosphates, and it does not remove any trace minerals.
 
I've been using them for many many years. I just cut them to the size I need. I have several layers in the output of my current skimmer. Just make sure it doesn't effect the water lever of your skimmer or you will constantly be adjusting the input.
 
Yeah, polyfilters are pretty amazing. I've only ever used them when I needed to address some specific issue though, not run full time.

Not that you can't, but they can be pricey to replace all the time...
 
Thanks! do they cut clean, meaning whatever is in them does not get released and blow all around? How long do you run them before changing them out?
 
I cannot confirm that they do not remove trace elements, but we use Poly Pads as standard media in all of our clients tanks and do routine Triton labs on our clients tanks and the only thing that ever comes up short for us is our Iodine levels.

We use RSCP salt on our clients tanks as well as (in most cases) 2 part ESV B-Ionic, ESV TE and TE+ and Seachem Fuel as standard dosing. Of course every clients tank is different and some have other gear like Ca. reactors and so on, but for the majority that is our routine.

Hope this helps.
 
Thanks guys. It says on the package, but can you confirm that they DO NOT remove the good trace elements?

Of course not. That wouldn't sell. :D

But of course it does. They specifically say what it binds, and many of those are needed nutrients. It's complicated, certainly. One mans poison is another's needed trace element, depending on concentration.

FWIW, it does not bind appreciable phosphate from seawater.
 
I discuss metal binding to them here:

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-04/rhf/feature/index.php

Export of Metals: Poly-Filters

Many aquarists have heard that Poly-Filters (made by Poly-Bio-Marine) absorb copper and other heavy metals. Poly-Filters are essentially comprised of an organic polymer that is designed to bind to a wide variety of chemical compounds in aquaria. As with all materials that bind metals, the higher the concentration of metal in solution, the more metal will be bound. Unfortunately, this fact has lead many aquarists to misunderstand whether Poly-Filters might actually help them reduce metal levels below that present in typical reef aquaria (10-40 ppb). In this section I am not discussing whether one can make a polymer that will bind copper and other heavy metals from aquarium water (that's a different discussion for elsewhere in this paper and others, but it is possible that modified Poly-Filters might work in that context). What we are interested here is in whether there is any information to suggest that currently available Poly-Filters are effective at reducing the copper concentrations below the 10-40 ppb copper reported for all of the marine aquaria in Shimek's study, and in my own aquarium (10-13 ppb copper).

It turns out that, unlike most manufacturers, Poly-Bio-Marine provides some nice data and makes the results especially clear for us. Unfortunately, what they say is that it won't work for many metals in artificial seawater. In fact, they have specifically designed these filters to not take out copper below 30 ppb. Here's a series of quotes from their website:

“ASTM Standard D 1141 lists only six (6) trace elements which are : Barium (99.4 mg/L), Manganese (34.0 mg/L), Copper (30.8 mg/L), Zinc (9.6 mg/L), Lead (6.6 mg/L) and Silver (0.49 mg/L).”

Note: mg/L is the same as ppb (parts per billion)

Then they note:

"Our next section will go into details of how Poly-Bio-Marine, Inc.'s special manufacturing process prevents Poly-Filter from sorbing those trace elements and other major or minor synthetic seasalt components."

"In order to make a Poly-Filter not capable of sorbing trace elements we must first saturate each Poly-Filter with the trace elements found in synthetic seawater."

"Upon completion Poly-Filter will not sorb trace elements nor calcium, magnesium, strontium or fluoride."

So they add the metals listed above to the Poly-Filters during manufacturing in order to prevent them from bringing down these metal concentrations when used in aquaria. In reality, I don't know whether their statements are accurate or not in relation to real aquaria, because all of the tests were in freshwater and synthetic seawater, not in aquaria where some of these metals (especially copper) will be largely bound to organics. Nevertheless, taking their claims at face value, one is forced to conclude that Poly-Filters will not be generally useful in reducing metal concentrations below the levels shown in Table 8 when used in raw artificial seawater. In this case, only zinc appears to be at a level such that Poly-Filters will remove substantial amounts from aquaria.

It is entirely possible that these filters will be more effective than described below at removing metals when the metals are bound to organics in real aquaria. After all, these filters claim to remove organics as well. However, it is also possible that they won't be effective, and testing them under actual reef aquarium conditions is something that I hope to provide in future articles.

Table 8. Removal of Metals by Poly-Filters.
Metal
 

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