Possible brook

[jpontier212]

I lost my 1 of my new snowflakes and my orange spotted goby. No one showed any signs of being sick and all of a sudden the smaller clownfish and goby looked like they were hosting the bottom of the tank and then dead at the bottom of the Qt. I check the parameters and everything is good. I just gave the remaining one a fresh water dip and i found what looks like a bunch of small white little scales maybe. I think it's brook. What can i do now about the qt? Water change and begin treatment with formilin?

 

[jpontier212]

@Humblefish @melypr1985

 

[melypr1985]

can you get us pictures of this before adding the formalin? It's a strong med and can be harsh on the fish so i hate for you to use it without knowing for sure what your treating for.

 

[Humblefish]

It sounds more like velvet than brook to me. I just came from Petco where "patient zero" had obvious physical symptoms of velvet. But now all of their fish are dying left & right, but with no obvious physical symptoms. Just behavioral symptoms such as heavy breathing, lethargy, staying out of the light, etc.

 

[jpontier212]

can you get us pictures of this before adding the formalin? It's a strong med and can be harsh on the fish so i hate for you to use it without knowing for sure what your treating for.

Don't know if you could see the bottom of the bucket. The flash is a little bright

 

[Humblefish]

@jpontier212 I can't make out for sure what's at the bottom of the bucket. Does it look anything like this? And if so, how many of them are there?

 

[jpontier212]

@jpontier212 I can't make out for sure what's at the bottom of the bucket. Does it look anything like this? And if so, how many of them are there?

Not really. But there's like 15 little slimy scale like things

 

[Humblefish]

Not really. But there's like 15 little slimy scale like things

Might just be dead scales that came off. Parasites or worms feeding on the skin could cause that.

 

[jpontier212]

Might just be dead scales that came off. Parasites or worms feeding on the skin could cause that.

As best preventative what should i do? She's in the qt and acting a lot more active but if the fresh water dip only alleviated the situation and doesn't cure it, what should be my next course of attack? Is the formilin in low dosage in the qt too much?

 

[Humblefish]

As best preventative what should i do? She's in the qt and acting a lot more active but if the fresh water dip only alleviated the situation and doesn't cure it, what should be my next course of attack? Is the formilin in low dosage in the qt too much?

What's left in QT? Just the one clownfish? Have you treated with any meds so far?

 

[jpontier212]

What's left in QT? Just the one clownfish? Have you treated with any meds so far?

Just her and no meds yet. Waiting to hear from anyone who can help me out. I don't want to lose my snowflake. I lost one that my lfs is replacing. I do a lot of business with them.

 

[Humblefish]

Just her and no meds yet. Waiting to hear from anyone who can help me out. I don't want to lose my snowflake. I lost one that my lfs is replacing. I do a lot of business with them.

If she's looking/acting better following the FW dip, that highly suggests she has either flukes or velvet - since a FW dip will provide temporary relief for both diseases.

This is what I would do in your shoes: First, treat with copper. I prefer Coppersafe or Copper Power, but Cupramine will do if that's all you can find. You'll also need a correlating copper test kit (API for Coppersafe or Copper Power/Seachem or Salifert for Cupramine). Treating with copper will address the possibility of ich & velvet.

I would also treat with API General Cure, which contains both praziquantel & metronidazole. Prazi will deworm (for flukes), while metro treats intestinal worms, brook & uronema.

You can safely combine General Cure with copper, and that spectrum of treatment would address everything except for a bacterial infection.

 

[jpontier212]

If she's looking/acting better following the FW dip, that highly suggests she has either flukes or velvet - since a FW dip will provide temporary relief for both diseases.

This is what I would do in your shoes: First, treat with copper. I prefer Coppersafe or Copper Power, but Cupramine will do if that's all you can find. You'll also need a correlating copper test kit (API for Coppersafe or Copper Power/Seachem or Salifert for Cupramine). Treating with copper will address the possibility of ich & velvet.

I would also treat with API General Cure, which contains both praziquantel & metronidazole. Prazi will deworm (for flukes), while metro treats intestinal worms, brook & uronema.

You can safely combine General Cure with copper, and that spectrum of treatment would address everything except for a bacterial infection.

Ok. I have a copper test kit and cupramine but not the other stuff. Do i have to do them both at the same time? Or can i add the other later?

 

[jpontier212]

Ok. I have a copper test kit and cupramine but not the other stuff. Do i have to do them both at the same time? Or can i add the other later?

I have metroplex ms will that help?

 

[Humblefish]

I have metroplex ms will that help?

Well, Metroplex or Metro-MS will cover intestinal worms, brook, uronema. But then you'd still need to treat with Prazipro to address the possibility of flukes.

 

[jpontier212]

Well, Metroplex or Metro-MS will cover intestinal worms, brook, uronema. But then you'd still need to treat with Prazipro to address the possibility of flukes.

Ok I'm on it. Thank you so much Humblefish. I really appreciate it.

 

[Humblefish]

Is there any way to put a flood lamp (or maybe take a pic outside?) over that black bucket so we can get a better view of the white things that came off the clown?

Or could you suck them up (using a turkey baster) and put them in a dark cup so it's easier to see?

I'm wondering whether or not those are actually flukes. @melypr1985 sees flukes more often than I do nowadays at the LFS where she works, so she would probably be able to spot them better than I can.

 

[fab]

When you try to take picture in a bucket and the flash totally blows out the exposure, try this...

Cover the flash with a thin (1 ply) tissue paper and shoot again, flashing through the tissue. If the flash still blows out the picture add another tissue and another until it works. If tissues don't disperse the light enough, try a thin sheet of white paper.

Hope this works for you.

I presume you are using a phone camera where you cannot point the flash away from the photo subject.

 

[jpontier212]

Is there any way to put a flood lamp (or maybe take a pic outside?) over that black bucket so we can get a better view of the white things that came off the clown?

Or could you suck them up (using a turkey baster) and put them in a dark cup so it's easier to see?

I'm wondering whether or not those are actually flukes. @melypr1985 sees flukes more often than I do nowadays at the LFS where she works, so she would probably be able to spot them better than I can.

I'm sorry. I already dumped it out. [emoji20]

 

[melypr1985]

Is there any way to put a flood lamp (or maybe take a pic outside?) over that black bucket so we can get a better view of the white things that came off the clown?

Or could you suck them up (using a turkey baster) and put them in a dark cup so it's easier to see?

I'm wondering whether or not those are actually flukes. @melypr1985 sees flukes more often than I do nowadays at the LFS where she works, so she would probably be able to spot them better than I can.

Yeah I couldn't see well enough in those pictures to tell if there were flukes in there. It was mostly flash and glare. The second picture looks like flukes to me, but again.... very hard to tell with the glare of the flash there. It could just as easily be distortion from the water and light.