Potential Fluke on clownfish? ID Help

[Cincy_Reefer]

I had an Orange Storm clownfish die about 3 weeks ago and I couldn’t ID the problem. Did a FW dip but didn’t notice any fluke come off.

Now - my other (more grown) Orange storm looks like he might have some fluke.

I uploaded a video to YouTube - see link here

Might be nothing but before I do a FW dip I wanted to see if a visual inspection might help ID something if it is anything.

also I don’t have a quarantine tank setup atm so I need to determine whether I need to get that started or not.
Thanks in advance!

 

[Spare time]

The video is still being processed by youtube so I'll comment on that in a bit.

Prazipro is safe to use in the display if it is indeed flukes.

 

[Cincy_Reefer]

The video is still being processed by youtube so I'll comment on that in a bit.

Prazipro is safe to use in the display if it is indeed flukes.

Even with 2 Zoas, a hammer, a frogspawn, and a CUC?

Video should be processed now.

 

[Cincy_Reefer]

Called my LFS and they said I should be good to use prazipro given my stocking situation. Lmk if you think that video looks like fluke thanks

 

[Cincy_Reefer]

When the video is in focus if you slow the playback speed down you might have a better view of the area of concern.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Called my LFS and they said I should be good to use prazipro given my stocking situation. Lmk if you think that video looks like fluke thanks

very good and clear video. I was able to stop it frame by frame.
This does not look like flukes, but rather the start of brooklynella. With Flukes, you would notice fish scratching itself against everything all the time, sunken in belly, rapid breathing, and reddened skin. In severe cases the fins on infected fish can be literally gone.
With Brook, rapid respiration develops, and fish often gasp for air at the surface as the gills become clogged with mucus as you will notice is already happening in your video. Soon the fish will become lethargic, refuse to eat, and its colors will fade which is slightly hazing now. The most noticeable symptom of Brooklynella is the heavy amount of slime that is produced by a fish that has contracted this parasite. As the disease progresses, a thick whitish mucus covers the body. This will usually start at the head and spread outward across the entire body. If untreated, skin lesions appear and it is not uncommon for signs of secondary bacterial infections.
Typical treatment is a standard formalin solution is mixed with either fresh or saltwater in a separate treatment container. Initially, all fish are given a quick dip in the formalin at a higher concentration, followed by continued treatment in a prolonged bath of formalin at a lower concentration in a quarantine tank (QT). Of course, the longer the fish are exposed to the formalin treatment, the more effective it will be at eliminating this disease.
If a formalin solution is not available for immediate use, temporary relief may be provided by giving fish a FW bath or dip in water same temperature as display tank. Even though this treatment will not cure the disease, it can help to remove some of the parasites, as well as reduce the amount of mucus in the gills to assist with respiration problems.
Treatment is best done in a QT tank using either quick cure or Ruby Rally Pro. Ruby takes a little longer and initial treatment generally takes 2-3 days to really start going to work.

 

[Cincy_Reefer]

Thank you sir for such an in-depth response!

so it sounds like I will 100% need to set up a QT and put all of my fish in it? Or will I only need to treat the one clown?

 

[Cincy_Reefer]

The heavy respirating that you mentioned is exactly what happened to my first clown that died RIP.

I was so distraught not knowing what killed the fella, so I’m glad I know now

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thank you sir for such an in-depth response!

so it sounds like I will 100% need to set up a QT and put all of my fish in it? Or will I only need to treat the one clown?

treat both clowns to be safe but one also acceptable. I did notice her chasing the smaller one occasionally

 

[Cincy_Reefer]

treat both clowns to be safe but one also acceptable. I did notice her chasing the smaller one occasionally

I just called my LFS and spoke with the staff biologist and she says her gut tells her it’s probably not brooklynella because that would typically wipe out the entire tank in 24-48 hours.

I sent her the video and she’s going to get back to me but her recommendation based on the info I’ve shared is to go with prazipro.

I’m not trying to discredit you at all - more so wanting to hear your thoughts on her logic.

do you agree that since the fish was in the LFS tank for 30 days before I bought them, and I have had this one clown in question for another 30 in my tank… would brooklynella still seem like the problem here?

 

[vetteguy53081]

I just called my LFS and spoke with the staff biologist and she says her gut tells her it’s probably not brooklynella because that would typically wipe out the entire tank in 24-48 hours.

I sent her the video and she’s going to get back to me but her recommendation based on the info I’ve shared is to go with prazipro.

I’m not trying to discredit you at all - more so wanting to hear your thoughts on her logic.

do you agree that since the fish was in the LFS tank for 30 days before I bought them, and I have had this one clown in question for another 30 in my tank… would brooklynella still seem like the problem here?

Im not sure how anyone can assess a fish over the phone without seeing it and Brook does NOT wipe out a tank until it becomes severe.
Very seldom can you see flukes which are a tiny worm with naked eye and ich is ruled out.
Wild caught clowns are the ones that typically get brook, versus captive bred.

To eliminate the thought of flukes, as it will give the clown some relief, give it a freshwater dip in water the same temperature as display tank for 5 minutes and return clown to tank. Then look on bottom of container for what looks sesame seeds or fish scales- Those would be flukes

 

[Cincy_Reefer]

Im not sure how anyone can assess a fish over the phone without seeing it and Brook does NOT wipe out a tank until it becomes severe.
Very seldom can you see flukes which are a tiny worm with naked eye and ich is ruled out.
Wild caught clowns are the ones that typically get brook, versus captive bred.

To eliminate the thought of flukes, as it will give the clown some relief, give it a freshwater dip in water the same temperature as display tank for 5 minutes and return clown to tank. Then look on bottom of container for what looks sesame seeds or fish scales- Those would be flukes

Sorry for the late response - I ended up dipping the clown and did find fluke flakes.

Dosed my DT with prazipro on 3/1/22.

Going to do a 25% WC on 3/8 followed by a second dose. Then another 25% WC 7 days later.