They're fantastic. Once you give them a go it will all make sense. The tunze controller isn't quite as flexible as the vortech eco smart controller, but if you run an apex the only limit to what they can do is your imagination. The quality is outstanding. The impeller shaft design and motor strength are such that you don't lose flow as they get dirty. Top end gear. While there are lemons occasionally in every single product (I'm sure there's even been a lemon Ferrari at some point), I've yet to meet someone who has regretted buying a tunze. I have run tanks with maxijets, hydor koralias, jebao WP series, and ecotech marine vortech mp40, and the line ends at tunze for me. My favorite of the bunch