Precipitation??

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as I read some of the threads, the word precipitation is used. So in the event that calcium precipitates, what is actually happening? Is it leaving the water is it changing. I don't really understand what is happening. I was also reading about mixing saltwater and read that if you add the salt too fast that it can cause some of the elements to precipitate. Please help me under stand. Thank you.
 
Yes, they are coming out of solution so can not be utilized anymore. Like with calcium there is a chemical reaction that combines to form calcium carbonate and will only dissolve back into solution if the pH drops below 7.7 pH like in a calcium reactor. This is where the belief that some substrates like aragonite help buffer the water. This hopefully doesn't happen in our reef tanks as its not good on other calcium carbonate structures like corals. It could be useful in brackish cichlid tanks. Fun things to do is drop some calcium carbonate into some vinegar.

This article covers calcium carbonate
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/7/chemistry

This article covers precipitation
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-07/rhf/index.htm
 
I have read those. Thank you. Just didn't really under stand. Need it Barnie style.
 
Basically in layman terms;

Its solids forming from a liquid solution because of a chemical reaction. (Crystallization)

Think of it as chemical reactions accelerating the crystal formations.

Calcium example;
Since It is already super saturated / concentrated, its not too far off from forming a "crystal", if a slight chemical reaction occurs.

A few things can cause this to happen in a tank, such as higher PH, temperatures, ALK & elevated CA in relation to.

(Thats the solids forming on your heater)

Magnesium & PH are a balancer, if you will, keeps the equilibrium.

So, the higher the levels of these, the higher chance of these solid "crystals" forming.

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/3/chemistry#section-4
 
Thank you. So when you mix salt you add slow. So that all them chemicals mix at same rate reducing chance of a unintended chemical reaction? So people that are doing everything right have strange issues like high or low alk after water Changes or ph issues, this could be issue? I don't seem to have any issues. Just trying to stay educated.
 
Here's a perhaps more intuitive way to think of this issue...

The precipitate we are often worrying about is calcium carbonate.

There are individual calcium and carbonate ions present in seawater.

They are moving around and frequently bump into one another.

When a calcium ion and a carbonate ion bump together, there is some percentage chance they will stick together, and start to form a solid particle.

The more calcium ions and the more carbonate ions you have in the water, the more likely they are to collide and stick just by the increased chance of these things happening.

Once a tiny bit of solid calcium carbonate has formed, then the same idea governs how fast it grows in size. As calcium and carbonate ions randomly bump into a solid bit of calcium carbonate, there is some percentage chance they will stick. More of them in the water means it is more likely a new encounter will lead to a stuck ion and a growing crystal.

So, with that as the thought process (however simplified), we can begin to understand some of the issues.

1. Higher concentrations of either calcium or carbonate (measured by alkalinity) result in more likelihood of precipitation, and once it begins, faster crystal growth.

2. Higher pH converts bicarbonate into carbonate, increasing the amount of carbonate present.

3. There are a couple of reasons that higher temp leads to more precipitation. One is that, like pH, higher temps leads to more bicarbonate being converted into carbonate. Also, calcium carbonate is actually more soluble at lower temperatures. So as the temp is raised, the percentage change of ions sticking to each other or to a surface is decreases. Both of these make precipitation faster at higher temps.

4. With making a salt mix, the idea is to add salt slowly to the water and mix fast so that you reduce the time and extent of locally high levels of both calcium and carbonate ions present near each other in and near a pile of dissolving solid salt mix in the water.

5. Magnesium gets onto calcium carbonate crystal surfaces and tends to make it less likely that future encounters with calcium or carbonate will result in a "stuck" calcium or carbonate.

Hope that helps in understanding. :)
 
Yea some times it's just the terminology that gets me. Works better if I can relate it to something. Also dose not help I have never taken a chemistry class. i am big on trying to understand how it works, instead of just knowing it works. Can't trouble shoot if you don't understand
 

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