Problems with cyanobacteria

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Hey everyone,

This is my second post to the forum and I'm looking for advice.
Let me try to give you all the relevant information as an introduction.
I have a 66 gallons tank, with a relatively small population of fish and corals. You can see a video of my tank here:


In June this year I removed a chaetomorpha reactor from the sump because it was leaking water into the LEDs compartment. At the same time, I added a HOG1x ATS as a "replacement" but this never really quicked in. I only have a small focus of algae at the bottom of the ATS where the bubbles come out and the light is more intense since I'm still using the dark cloth to block some light (If I remove it the algae won't grow at all).

At the same time, I see a lot of brown algae in the display - in the back glass and in the substrate. I was attributing the brown algae to silicate from my RO+DI water, but I changed the resin recently and the algae persist. Even though TDS does not indicate silicate, it is marking zero before and after the DI stage.

I have a Tunze DOC Skimmer 9410 which I believe should be removing more dirt than it is. To fix that I removed the 1.5 inches foam I used to have bellow it and I will monitor the results.
I'm not a big fan of water changes: I dose balling to replace KH, Ca and Mg. Since most of the trace elements are also present in the formula I use, I see very little reason for the water changes.

On top of brown algae, I also have some areas with red slime (cyanobacteria). I can control it by siphoning the substrate and the rock where it is, but it will eventually come back. Using Ultralife Red Slime really helps with both brown algae and cyano but after a few weeks, it is back on.

I do not overfeed my fish. One of the ocellaris is with me for more than 3 years (came from my old tank) and you can see in the video it is not very large.
I do have a good flow, controlled by a Nero pump in the display.
Every other week I dose Marine Snow, but I have not dosed it since the brown algae and the cyano came back.

I was reading this great article from Randy Holmes Farley (https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/o...-reef-aquarium-by-randy-holmes-farley.173563/) and noticed there are people who indicate iron could encourage cyano. Since I'm dosing balling and that includes iron as a trace element I'm thinking this could be a problem. Hard to tell without a good test kit. I thought about an ICP test but that is kind of expensive.

My planned course of action:
- Prepare some saltwater
- Siphon the sump; There is accumulated detritus at the bottom of it.
- Replace the removed water with new water
- Siphon the areas with cyano
- If cyano is back, I will purchase another bottle of Ultralife Red Slime
- If cyano is back after a while I'm considering adding my chaetomorpha reactor back into the system.

Should I do something different?
 
What levels are you at for nitrate and phosphate?
 
I believe Chaeto absorbs iron, so if you removed your reactor there could now be excess? Just a thought. Good luck!
 
What levels are you at for nitrate and phosphate?
Good question. I have not measured it recently. Last time I measured phosphate (23/Jul) it was undetected by a Hanna checker and a Salifert test kit.
Nitrates read zero on that same day.
I haven't read it since then.
 
You might want to get a small microscope to confirm that brown stuff in your sand is diatoms and not dinos. Zero No3 and Po4 is a terrible recipe for dinos.
 
You might want to get a small microscope to confirm that brown stuff in your sand is diatoms and not dinos. Zero No3 and Po4 is a terrible recipe for dinos.

I thought about that a while back and for some reason, I discarded that possibility. I also gave up buying a microscope because it would be just another thing for my wife to complain about: "We don't have enough space to store that". I can hear she saying that. But I might have to buy it anyway since I already saw some air bubbles when I let the "thing" grow.

On the other hand, if it is dinos what I have, I'm not sure the Red Slime product would have worked as it did.
 
On the other hand, if it is dinos what I have, I'm not sure the Red Slime product would have worked as it did.
Dinos and cyano frequently show up in mixed assemblies. blownish-reddish stuff has fooled me multiple times. microscope is best way to be definitive.
 
Not that it has anything to do with the problem, but I tested for Potassium yesterday and it is currently at 250ppm. I will start dosing it as well very soon.
 
Just a quick update, siphoning the sump seems to have helped controlling cyano. I still see brown algae on the substrate but I believe this is related to high silicates on my RO water (which TDS does not indicate).
I also noticed that my Potassium was pretty low (250ppm) which the water changes helped to restore but I had to supplement in order to bump it back to 400ppm.
 
I understand you don't like to do water changes but that is the best way to balance out the water, especially if you are having issues but not testing regularly. What makes you think your zero TDS water has high silicates in it? I do think you should get the cheato back into the system and see if it helps. It would be a good experiment for you.
 
I understand you don't like to do water changes but that is the best way to balance out the water, especially if you are having issues but not testing regularly.
I agree with you and I'm planning on doing monthly water changes. I'm proud that I accomplished that task twice already.

What makes you think your zero TDS water has high silicates in it?
A Salifert Silicate test kit. For some reason, both the RO and the resin are not very efficient in removing silicates from the water. Our water comes from an artesian well and is loaded with silicates, I have to monitor the lifetime of my resin by testing the RO/DI water for silicates instead of trusting my TDS.

I do think you should get the cheato back into the system and see if it helps. It would be a good experiment for you.
I would, but my ATS kicked in and I'm now harvesting it weekly. So I will hold off on adding the chaeto.
 
Are you using the Dow Filmtec Hi-Silicate removal TFC membrane? If not you should in your case. Also, if you are not using separate DI canisters you should instead of a mixed bed. Silicates are removed in the anion resin, therefore you would get longer life from your resins and also better removal from the silicates with dedicated anion resin chamber.
 
Those are great advice, @Silent.
I'm not using that particular membrane. I will make sure to get one next time.
I will also consider adding a new chamber to separate my resins. If I manage to do so, should I use the anion resin before or after the cation resin?
Thank you very much!
 
You should use cation than anion than a mixed bed for best results. If not just cation than anion. Easiest way for me to remember is to think of calcium (CA).
 

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