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Hey everyone, I have problems with two fish. One of my fish, is my Red Sea sailfin, who recently had Black Ich. I treated my display with prazi and most of the spots went away, but a few remained. The remaining spots look different, they look more like thin black shirt “squiggles.” Only three small spots. To me they look more like super tiny worms then spots, but they don’t seem to want to go away. Could they be bites from the turbellarian worms and will fade soon? Are they something else? Problem is, I can’t get a picture of it because it’s so small... what are your thoughts? Since it’s not getting worse just monitor the fish and see what happens?

Now for my other fish, a convict tang, this white patch popped up on its side. Is this some kind of disease or an injury? Doesn’t seem to be protruding too much from the skin.

I attached photos of both fish (the photos of the Red Sea sailfin are more for reference of overall health)

Also, I know the convict tang is super thin. He stopped eating for a while but I got him to start eating again and believe it or not he has actually been gaining weight back.

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Here is a better photo. I have circled the area that bothers me. One of these spots almost looks like a cut or a stretch mark or something...
 
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Just got a GOOD photo of the Red Sea Sailfin! Dang this fish is annoying lol.
 
No water change, used carbon and protein skimmer to pull out the prazi. Second dose was roughly 7 days after the first I believe. About to do a water change today though (dosed 48 hours ago)
 
Some turbellarians (black ich) are praziquantel resistant. The next step is a Formalin bath.
 
From Humblefish's treatment advisory:

Formalin:
Treats Brooklynella and provides temporary relief for Marine Velvet disease (Amyloodinium). Also may be used as temporary relief, or even as an alternative treatment, for worms such as flukes and black ich.

How To Treat - Formalin is very interesting because its potential is not fully known. It is best administered in a bath solution for 30-45 minutes, following the dosage instructions on whatever bottle you use; or at 150 ppm if using "100% formalin" (ex. Formalin-MS). The bath should be done in a large glass bowl or container, and temperature should match the tank the fish is coming from. A bucket is not advised as plastic may absorb some of the medication and then leach it back out during future use. It is imperative that you heavily aerate the bath solution for at least 30 minutes before and also during treatment to compensate for oxygen depletion. The fish should be placed in a premixed bath solution. DO NOT add more formalin after the fish is already in the bath.

For Brooklynella, multiple baths may be required (so long as symptoms persist), but it’s important to give the fish a day to recuperate in-between baths. Formalin has also been used as alternative treatment for external worms such as flukes and black ich. However, at least 2 baths are required (7 days apart) for the same reason described when using Prazipro. For all of the above, post treatment, the fish should not be returned to the same tank/water he came from to prevent reinfection.

You can dose formalin directly in a quarantine tank, but this can be risky due to the harshness of formalin and how quickly it can deplete the water of oxygen. Providing additional gas exchange to the QT is a must! A fish being treated must be monitored closely and should be removed if showing signs of distress - this applies when treating in QT or in the bath solution.

Pros - Treats or provides temporary relief for a wide range of diseases. In some cases, formalin can “buy you more time” until a proper treatment can be done.

Cons/Side Effects - Formalin contains formaldehyde, a known carcinogen. Therefore, precautions must be taken when using it. Preventing your skin from coming in contact with it by wearing water proof gloves and not breathing in any fumes by wearing a face mask is highly recommended. Formalin also can be harsh on the fish and will quickly deplete oxygen from the water. In some areas, the purchase of formalin is prohibited.
 
Would you try a third round of prazi or just the formalin bath? (If so, I need to get my hands on a fish trap :/ )
 
Would you try a third round of prazi or just the formalin bath?
You never know, some fish react differently to medications. Your choice.
Is the "white patch" on your Convict Tang protruding and cotton like? Or a smooth discoloration? Or is the skin peeling, sloughing off?
 
Well heck! Probably a bacterial infection. Could be it scraped on a rock while so skinny the bones protruding a bit. Bacterial infections can go sideways real fast, especially if the fish's immune system has been compromised. More from Humblefish's treatment guide:

Antibiotics: Treats bacterial infections, which are oftentimes “secondary” to preexisting parasitic infestations.

How To Treat - Follow the directions on the label of whatever product you are using. Always use a broad spectrum antibiotic medication i.e. one that treats both gram-positive and gram-negative bacterial diseases (very important). Examples of this include Furan-2, Kanamycin aka Seachem Kanaplex, Nitrofuracin Green Powder, Triple Sulfa Powder or a combination of using both Erythromycin & Minocycline. The latter can be accomplished (albeit expensively) by using freshwater Maracyn 1 & 2 and then doubling the dosage for saltwater use. When battling a particularly nasty bacterial infection, combining Furan-2, Kanaplex and metronidazole (ex. Seachem MetroPlex) can be very effective (and safe). Props to “hedgedrew” for enlightening me of this.

Normally you have to do 4 doses to complete a full course of treatment. The instructions may say to dose every 24 hours, and perform water changes at certain intervals. In my experience, you often have to do 2 full courses of treatment (or 8 doses total) before a fish will show signs of improvement (antibiotics are notoriously slow acting with fish). If a fish shows no signs of improvement after the second full course, then it’s time to try a completely different medication. Just like with humans, sometimes a certain fish will respond better to a different antibiotic. You can run activated carbon at any time when you wish to end treatment.

Pros - One of the few medications that can safely be mixed with others. You can use antibiotics in conjunction with just about everything.

Cons/Side Effects - Appetite suppression, depletes the water of oxygen (so provide additional gas exchange).
 
Well heck! Probably a bacterial infection. Could be it scraped on a rock while so skinny the bones protruding a bit. Bacterial infections can go sideways real fast, especially if the fish's immune system has been compromised. More from Humblefish's treatment guide:

Antibiotics: Treats bacterial infections, which are oftentimes “secondary” to preexisting parasitic infestations.

How To Treat - Follow the directions on the label of whatever product you are using. Always use a broad spectrum antibiotic medication i.e. one that treats both gram-positive and gram-negative bacterial diseases (very important). Examples of this include Furan-2, Kanamycin aka Seachem Kanaplex, Nitrofuracin Green Powder, Triple Sulfa Powder or a combination of using both Erythromycin & Minocycline. The latter can be accomplished (albeit expensively) by using freshwater Maracyn 1 & 2 and then doubling the dosage for saltwater use. When battling a particularly nasty bacterial infection, combining Furan-2, Kanaplex and metronidazole (ex. Seachem MetroPlex) can be very effective (and safe). Props to “hedgedrew” for enlightening me of this.

Normally you have to do 4 doses to complete a full course of treatment. The instructions may say to dose every 24 hours, and perform water changes at certain intervals. In my experience, you often have to do 2 full courses of treatment (or 8 doses total) before a fish will show signs of improvement (antibiotics are notoriously slow acting with fish). If a fish shows no signs of improvement after the second full course, then it’s time to try a completely different medication. Just like with humans, sometimes a certain fish will respond better to a different antibiotic. You can run activated carbon at any time when you wish to end treatment.

Pros - One of the few medications that can safely be mixed with others. You can use antibiotics in conjunction with just about everything.

Cons/Side Effects - Appetite suppression, depletes the water of oxygen (so provide additional gas exchange).

Do all of these require QT? Or safe to dose reef tank?
 
Dang it... guess I’ll get to work trying to catch this fish
 
Gonna check the LFS tomorrow though to see if I can get it sooner. Trying to catch this dang fish without taking out rock :mad: trying to tempt it into a catch cup with seaweed now
 
First of all, gorgeous tangs. Looks like @Big G has you taken care of.

I couldn't get formalin from my lfs. I ended up having to order formalin-ms and acriflavine-ms online(before I'd even heard of Ruby Reef Rally)
 

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