Pure Ammonia for Cycling

[danielfernandes]

i have this hair bleach product with 5.8% ammonia in this 100 ml bottle.

I was thinking of cycling using this solution to try to keep it at 2 ppm ammonia until it drops to 0 after 24 hours of applying the product.

Could someone help me with the amount of drops needed to reach 2 ppm for every 100 liters of water?

Thanks.

 

[Reefer Matt Verified Media Partner]

I wouldn't use that. There are probably other chemicals in it that will not be good for a reef tank. I suggest the proven cycling methods, and patience.

 

[brandon429]

do not cycle to 2 ppm though its common, it causes pure problems in all cycle posts, also common.

have you noticed how for 20 years all cycle threads are disagreements on when someone is safe to begin, and the tank owner themselves doesnt even know when the permissible start date is? they post for that permission in threads...this is all prior cycling posts you can search to see.

2ppm dosing ammonia is one of the worst things you can do in cycling

aware Dr Tims video disagrees, I make 250 page combined threads fixing cycles who follow that bad advice using api and red sea test kits.


do this instead, testless no ammonia cycling:

build the tank ready, add cycling bac not tank cleaning bac. cycling bac, any brand meant for our reefs. not mb7

thats a cleaning bac

use one of top three common cycling bacteria strains...fritz biospira or Dr Tims bottle bac for cycling is great.

add in two ground up pinches of fish food. wait fifteen days, you're over cycled by then, no testing required and can't fail.


try to imagine how infinitely better this system is than:

struggle with getting right 2 ppm on non digital test kits, and overshooting

struggle with massive new tank algae outbreaks for following public rules on cycling, which are bad and misleading.

struggle to avoid cycle stalling, which is false and really just misreading common test kits nh4 vs nh3, youll never have a peaceful agreed upon completion date on the old way, you'll be out nine weeks still thinking nitrite matters.

the new way is better in every way, and the old way of cycling is bad in all ways lol and a total ripoff to the public.


as you wait fifteen days you read up on fish disease prevention in the disease forum, before adding your fish. that's cycling in 2022.

 

[brandon429]

you may wonder: some systems don't have fifteen days to wait they need to "go" sooner

well, any of those three brands mentioned can carry fish day one, look up any bottle bac + seneye posts + two clownfish on day one to see. the bac are powerful

so when i said wait 15 days and you're overcycled, that's why.


we gave the bacteria two weeks to implant in place...they still work immediately out of the bottle while in suspension as well. both options work, the difference is you can't do a large water change after just dosing new bacteria for obvious reasons...waiting past implantation date allows you unlimited tank care and water change options, can't undo the cycle.

if you must add fish early you can, and ammonia won't harm them as cycling bac has this under control...but you are almost certain for a disease crash in 8 mos or less by skipping any manner of actual disease prep. source for claims: see all new help posts in the disease forum, count up how many tanks are under eight mos old on page one alone.

 

[danielfernandes]

não cicla a 2 ppm embora seja comum, causa problemas puros em todos os postes de ciclo, também comuns.

você notou como por 20 anos todos os tópicos do ciclo são desacordos sobre quando alguém está seguro para começar, e o próprio dono do tanque nem sabe quando é a data de início permitida? eles postam essa permissão em tópicos... isso são todos os posts de ciclismo anteriores que você pode pesquisar para ver.

A dosagem de 2 ppm de amônia é uma das piores coisas que você pode fazer no ciclismo

ciente de que o vídeo do Dr Tims discorda, faço ciclos de fixação de tópicos combinados de 250 páginas que seguem esse conselho ruim usando kits de teste de api e mar vermelho.


faça isso em vez disso, sem teste sem ciclo de amônia:

construa o tanque pronto, adicione ciclagem bac não limpeza de tanque bac. ciclismo bac, qualquer marca destinada aos nossos recifes. não mb7

isso é uma limpeza de volta

use uma das três principais cepas de bactérias comuns de ciclismo... fritz biospira ou Dr Tims bottle bac para ciclismo é ótimo.

adicione duas pitadas moídas de comida de peixe. espere quinze dias, você já terá passado do ciclo, nenhum teste é necessário e não pode falhar.


tente imaginar o quão infinitamente melhor este sistema é do que:

luta para obter 2 ppm corretos em kits de teste não digitais e superação

lutam contra novos surtos de algas em tanques por seguirem as regras públicas sobre ciclismo, que são ruins e enganosas.

lute para evitar a paralisação do ciclo, o que é falso e realmente apenas interpretando mal os kits de teste comuns nh4 vs nh3, você nunca terá uma data de conclusão pacífica acordada da maneira antiga, estará fora nove semanas ainda pensando que o nitrito importa.

a nova maneira é melhor em todos os sentidos, e a velha maneira de andar de bicicleta é ruim em todos os sentidos lol e um roubo total para o público.


enquanto você espera quinze dias, você lê sobre prevenção de doenças de peixes no fórum de doenças, antes de adicionar seus peixes. isso é andar de bicicleta em 2022.

Eu li alguns desses 2 tópicos onde você deu muitas informações.

Cycling an Aquarium

Cycling a new aquarium. One of the earliest topics a new aquarium hobbyist needs to learn is how to properly cycle their aquarium. There is a ton of information on this process and many different methods on how to accomplish it. There are many different chemical and biological cycles our tank...

www.reef2reef.com

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/bacteria-in-a-bottle-myth-or-fact.403226 /

Você estava se referindo a eles?

Certo... Então eu encho o tanque, deixo a salinidade ok.
Temperatura você indica o que vou usar com peixes e corais ou 85F?

Depois coloco duas pitadas de ração e adiciono Stability from Seachem (que tenho aqui) conforme indicado pelo fabricante.

Aguardo 15 dias, verifico os exames e está tudo ok?

Não preciso colocar duas pitadas de ração por dia, seria só no primeiro dia?

Então, haveria ciclo suficiente para introduzir uma pequena carga de peixes (dois palhaços) que aumentaria a produção de amônia e, gradativamente, daria continuidade à produção de bactérias?

Seria isso?

Obrigado pela ajuda.

do not cycle to 2 ppm though its common, it causes pure problems in all cycle posts, also common.

have you noticed how for 20 years all cycle threads are disagreements on when someone is safe to begin, and the tank owner themselves doesnt even know when the permissible start date is? they post for that permission in threads...this is all prior cycling posts you can search to see.

2ppm dosing ammonia is one of the worst things you can do in cycling

aware Dr Tims video disagrees, I make 250 page combined threads fixing cycles who follow that bad advice using api and red sea test kits.


do this instead, testless no ammonia cycling:

build the tank ready, add cycling bac not tank cleaning bac. cycling bac, any brand meant for our reefs. not mb7

thats a cleaning bac

use one of top three common cycling bacteria strains...fritz biospira or Dr Tims bottle bac for cycling is great.

add in two ground up pinches of fish food. wait fifteen days, you're over cycled by then, no testing required and can't fail.


try to imagine how infinitely better this system is than:

struggle with getting right 2 ppm on non digital test kits, and overshooting

struggle with massive new tank algae outbreaks for following public rules on cycling, which are bad and misleading.

struggle to avoid cycle stalling, which is false and really just misreading common test kits nh4 vs nh3, youll never have a peaceful agreed upon completion date on the old way, you'll be out nine weeks still thinking nitrite matters.

the new way is better in every way, and the old way of cycling is bad in all ways lol and a total ripoff to the public.


as you wait fifteen days you read up on fish disease prevention in the disease forum, before adding your fish. that's cycling in 2022.

I read some of these 2 threads where you gave a lot of information.

Cycling an Aquarium

Cycling a new aquarium. One of the earliest topics a new aquarium hobbyist needs to learn is how to properly cycle their aquarium. There is a ton of information on this process and many different methods on how to accomplish it. There are many different chemical and biological cycles our tank...

www.reef2reef.com

Bacteria in a bottle, Myth or Fact

Call me old school, back in the day we placed a deli shrimp in a tank to kick start the cycle. When tank reached 1.5-2 ppm ammonia we pulled it out and waited sometimes weeks to months for bacteria to colonize and drop ammonia and nitrites down to 0 to make tank safe for livestock. With recent...

www.reef2reef.com

Were you referring to them?

Right... So I fill the tank, let the salinity ok.
Temperature do you indicate what I will use with fish and corals or 85F?

Then I throw in two pinches of feed and add Stability from Seachem (which I have here) as indicated by the manufacturer.

I wait 15 days, check the tests and everything is ok?

I don't need to put in two pinches of feed a day, would it just be on the first day?

So, would there be enough cycle to introduce a small load of fish (two clowns) that will increase the production of ammonia and gradually give continuity to the production of bacteria?

Would it be this?

Thank you for your help.

 

[brandon429]

yes agreed stability is fine, that will work in the testless 15 day plan easily. its a good mix.

its one addition of feed, the two pinches of feed one time along with the bacteria added per directions one time at the start, then wait fifteen days.

you added extra steps after 15 days above: I mentioned this was a testless cycle that you don't need to verify. Its new technique, nobody writes articles on it so it's not known. at day fifteen you are cycled, just add fish, no testing required, the tests you have will misread anyway and make you think the cycle isn't ready when it is-this is why we developed testless tank cycling.


*notice any common cycling chart has an ammonia drop at day ten, all of them. that's why waiting till day fifteen is so safe, for testless options. it's past the known drop date on file. waiting fifteen days even makes up for the occasional dead bottle of bacteria. after fifteen days heated, circulating in fed water with no bacteria, you'll still have basic ammonia command after day ten any cycling chart shows.

the bacteria added + two weeks time is an infallible system.

if you add untreated fish to your tank, the diseases they carry are deposited into your rockwork and sand and other fish.

if you pre treat the fish in quarantine and fallow the tank, you have less disease emergence, per the disease thread.

the two threads you captioned above are great. Dr. Reefs bottle bac thread uses this carbon fish food trick, I got it off that thread.