QT Help

MSB123 · Apr 15, 2019

1
Clowns x2
Midas Blenny
Red Mandarin x2
Lyretail Anthias x5
Blue Throat Trigger x2
3x longhorn cowfish

3
Tangs
Yellow Tang x3
Blonde Naso Tang
Powder Blue Tang
Clown tang

2
Wrasses
Exquisite Fairy Wrasse
Red head Salon Fairy Wrasse
McCoskers Flasher Wrasse
Pink Margin Fairy Wrasse
Line Spot Flasher Wrasse
Ruby head Fairy Wrasse

These are the fish I am going to get. I plan to add all the fish from group 1 first, then group 2, then group 3. (I only have space for one QT tank and I don’t want to spend a year on QT.
How does this sound and what should I do for QT?
How big of a tank will I need?
All the fish will be normal sized, with the exceptions of the tangs. They will be 3-4” and the salifin being 6-7”( to be a tank boss, so the others don’t fight or get too agressive.

MSB123 · Apr 15, 2019

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4FordFamily · Apr 15, 2019

I think it’s a good plan, actually. How large is the tank?

The cow fish needs CP as they don’t do well in copper.

ngoodermuth · Apr 15, 2019

4FordFamily said:
I think it’s a good plan, actually. How large is the tank?

The cow fish needs CP as they don’t do well in copper.

Yep, and the Mandarins too. But, the anthias don’t tolerate CP... so you’d probably want to split group 1 into two tanks, or two separate groups.

This might be helpful:
Fish and Treatment Guidelines (with chart)
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...-Guidelines-(with-chart).283450/&share_type=t

ngoodermuth · Apr 15, 2019

I think you’ll probably want at least a 55 gallon QT for these sized “batches” as well.

4FordFamily · Apr 15, 2019

ngoodermuth said:
Yep, and the Mandarins too. But, the anthias don’t tolerate CP... so you’d probably want to split group 1 into two tanks, or two separate groups.

This might be helpful:
Fish and Treatment Guidelines (with chart)
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=1020&share_tid=283450&url=https://www.reef2reef.com/index.php?threads/Fish-and-Treatment-Guidelines-(with-chart).283450/&share_type=t

Oh yes good catch, I didn't see the mandarin or remember that about anthias! I'd move that around. You may do CP with the wrasses and add the mandy and cowfish. A 55 gal is definitely a good size for larger batches.

ngoodermuth · Apr 15, 2019

4FordFamily said:
Oh yes good catch, I didn't see the mandarin or remember that about anthias! I'd move that around. You may do CP with the wrasses and add the mandy and cowfish. A 55 gal is definitely a good size for larger batches.

I don’t know about the flasher wrasses though... I don’t think they handle CP very well either. The fairy wrasses are a little better with it, but mine had some issues with appetite suppression around days 7-10 and stopped eating completely for the last few days.

I’d definitely suggest transferring to a second QT after day 14 of CP if you are going to try that with the fairy wrasses.

4FordFamily · Apr 15, 2019

ngoodermuth said:
I don’t know about the flasher wrasses though... I don’t think they handle CP very well either. The fairy wrasses are a little better with it, but mine had some issues with appetite suppression around days 7-10 and stopped eating completely for the last few days.

I’d definitely suggest transferring to a second QT after day 14 of CP if you are going to try that with the fairy wrasses.

I am almost positive Bobby said he was getting them through CP, admittedly thought we haven't tried it. As sensitive as wrasse are in general to nearly all medications I struggle to think it could be any worse. But that's just my .02, more people have successfully brought them through copper.

MSB123 · Apr 15, 2019

Tank is 72”x36”x30”

MSB123 · Apr 15, 2019

Thanks guys!
What is CP again?

ngoodermuth · Apr 15, 2019

Chloroquine phosphate
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...ds/Chloroquine-phosphate.192309/&share_type=t

4FordFamily · Apr 15, 2019

New Groups Suggestion:

Batch 1 (Copper):
Clowns x2
Midas Blenny
Lyretail Anthias x5
Blue Throat Trigger x2
Yellow Tang x3

Batch 2 (Chloroquine Phosphate):
Blonde Naso Tang
Powder Blue Tang
Clown tang
3x longhorn cowfish
Red Mandarin x2

Batch 3 (Copper):
Exquisite Fairy Wrasse
Red head Salon Fairy Wrasse
McCoskers Flasher Wrasse
Pink Margin Fairy Wrasse
Line Spot Flasher Wrasse
Ruby head Fairy Wrasse

This would be my advice.

Or, trade out the mandarins and cowfish for something else, or perhaps quarantine them separately in CP as a 4th batch.

MSB123 · Apr 15, 2019

I might

4FordFamily said:
New Groups Suggestion:

Batch 1 (Copper):
Clowns x2
Midas Blenny
Lyretail Anthias x5
Blue Throat Trigger x2
Yellow Tang x3

Batch 2 (Chloroquine Phosphate):
Blonde Naso Tang
Powder Blue Tang
Clown tang
3x longhorn cowfish
Red Mandarin x2

Batch 3 (Copper):
Exquisite Fairy Wrasse
Red head Salon Fairy Wrasse
McCoskers Flasher Wrasse
Pink Margin Fairy Wrasse
Line Spot Flasher Wrasse
Ruby head Fairy Wrasse

This would be my advice.

Or, trade out the mandarins and cowfish for something else, or perhaps quarantine them separately in CP as a 4th batch.

I really want the mandarins and cowfish, so I might do a 4th batch.

4FordFamily · Apr 15, 2019

MSB123 said:
I might

I really want the mandarins and cowfish, so I might do a 4th batch.

Feeding mandarins during QT is always the biggest issue with them. Pods will die almost immediately in medication, will need to be dosed a LOT. I don't know anyone that's successfully done this but I am sure it has happened. But it will be expensive to supply said pods to sustain them. If you find some on divers den or from ORA that eat other food, that would dramatically increase your odds.

ngoodermuth · Apr 15, 2019

4FordFamily said:
Feeding mandarins during QT is always the biggest issue with them. Pods will die almost immediately in medication, will need to be dosed a LOT. I don't know anyone that's successfully done this but I am sure it has happened. But it will be expensive to supply said pods to sustain them. If you find some on divers den or from ORA that eat other food, that would dramatically increase your odds.

The only way I got mine through 14 days of CP was nutrimar ova... it’s a shame that it is not available anymore :/

You could try fish roe, if you can find a local market that is still selling it. The season is just about over.

MSB123 · Apr 15, 2019

ngoodermuth said:
The only way I got mine through 14 days of CP was nutrimar ova... it’s a shame that it is not available anymore :/

You could try fish roe, if you can find a local market that is still selling it. The season is just about over.

I live on the coast so I will try.

MSB123 · Apr 15, 2019

Will do. Cost. Isn’t an issue, but I would like to find some that are already eating frozen.

4FordFamily said:
Feeding mandarins during QT is always the biggest issue with them. Pods will die almost immediately in medication, will need to be dosed a LOT. I don't know anyone that's successfully done this but I am sure it has happened. But it will be expensive to supply said pods to sustain them. If you find some on divers den or from ORA that eat other food, that would dramatically increase your odds.

calvertc425 · Apr 15, 2019

Get Biota mandarins captive bred

MSB123 · Apr 15, 2019

Would 3 yellows be better then 4? What is the magic number?
Or even 3 or 4 purples?

MSB123 · Apr 16, 2019

MSB123 said:
Would 3 yellows be better then 4? What is the magic number?
Or even 3 or 4 purples?

And could I use a 50 gallon rubbermaid tub as a QT tank? I can keep it in my garage (heated) and I would have an airstone+ HOB filter+ PVC tubing in it.
https://www.amazon.com/Rubbermaid-C...ubbermaid+tub&qid=1555389400&s=gateway&sr=8-2
?
Or should I use a glass tank?