Quarantine Experience with Copperband Butterfly Fish

[Quiverfull]

Added mollies several days ago and started the PraziPro. Acclimated mollies over 24 hours and did well until the strawberry pseudochromis beat several of them up but all seem to have established their territory now. So far so good. Thanks for all the help.

 

[Quiverfull]

Quick question about dosing PraziPro. Do you only do the one dose or do you dose as second time? It is not clear to me from the instructions. I have tried to investigate this but it looks like recommendations are all over the place. Some dose a second time after 3 days and a 20% water change, some dose after a week with a 50% water change?

 

[mattzang]

You gotta do it twice to get eggs. Depends on salinity and temp when you dose round 2

google prazi calculator

 

[ReefHog]

Dose twice. Use this calendar for second dose.

Marine Parasites

Marine Parasites is a resource for the study of parasites in south Australian fishes.

www.marineparasites.com

 

[EakTheFreak]

Dose twice. Use this calendar for second dose.

Marine Parasites

Marine Parasites is a resource for the study of parasites in south Australian fishes.

www.marineparasites.com

Agreed here!

 

[Quiverfull]

Awesome... Looks like based on my temp and salinity, I need to re-dose between day #7 and #9 after first dose. No need for 3rd treatment.

Sorry for the additional questions but I want to get this right for by CBB:
1. Do you have to worry about overdosing when you give the second treatment if you do not do a 100% water change or do you just dose on top of what was placed in the first dose?
2. How long after the second dose to you place the carbon back into the system and do another water change?

Thanks

 

[ReefHog]

Awesome... Looks like based on my temp and salinity, I need to re-dose between day #7 and #9 after first dose. No need for 3rd treatment.

Sorry for the additional questions but I want to get this right for by CBB:
1. Do you have to worry about overdosing when you give the second treatment if you do not do a 100% water change or do you just dose on top of what was placed in the first dose?
2. How long after the second dose to you place the carbon back into the system and do another water change?

Thanks

It’s my understanding that the active ingredient praziquantel dissipates after 48 hours. I usually do a 25% water change after 72 hours and run a poly filter at that time. Then I remove the poly filter before the second dose. You can substitute carbon where I use the poly filter.

 

[Quiverfull]

Great, thanks. I just started my second dose (day #7 after first dose) after 25% water change . The water seems more cloudy this time then the first time I added it. Is that normal?

 

[ReefHog]

I hadn’t had that happen. I’ve heard that it can happen though. Bacterial bloom I suspect. Just make sure you have good water movement at the surface or an air stone. I would think it will clear up in a day or so. After 48 hours you can do a water change and add the carbon

 

[EakTheFreak]

Great, thanks. I just started my second dose (day #7 after first dose) after 25% water change . The water seems more cloudy this time then the first time I added it. Is that normal?

How much did you dose? Same as the original one? I all actually do 40% water changes than redose but I believe 25% is actually what Prazipro states.

 

[LaloJ]

I found this thread so I can possibly revive it, I intend to get a CBB but my quarantine doesn't consist of meds, I have read that Paraguard works quite well as a prophylactic and I would like to use it, any opinions?

 

[EakTheFreak]

I found this thread so I can possibly revive it, I intend to get a CBB but my quarantine doesn't consist of meds, I have read that Paraguard works quite well as a prophylactic and I would like to use it, any opinions?

I have no experience with Paragaurd. I’ve read up on it from humble fish some but still not sure how effective Paraguard is.

A few questions for you:

• would you be using it as a Dip, or in the water for 28 days?

• Are you still planning on doing two doses of Prazipro at the end of Paragaurd?

• if the fish shows ICH/VELVET are you able to switch to copper if necessary?

 

[LaloJ]

Well, I have read and compared the experiences of several aquarists and for the majority it definitely does not work as an effective medicine against Cryptocarion, much less velvet, and almost the majority agreed to use it as a prophylactic since it seems to be more "mild" than the treatments with copper, formalin, etc. And in my experience I can tell you that it helped me with bacterial diseases, in the early stages.
To answer your questions, I assume that the effects of a medication are more effective throughout the days, and it is more stressful for the fish to undergo the dips IMO. I don't plan on using any meds, (I've only recently had the idea of paraguard as a prophylactic), I've done qt without meds for 90 days with success, although I'll be ready with Prazipro and Cupramine if needed.

 

[Tamberav]

My first copperband I tried was eating great and then died after a few weeks... it ate that morning to dead 8 hours later. Was in observation in a fully cycled/aged tank with corals doing well and all. I assume some disease that was fast killing. They can be prone to uronema which can be internal.

Second one I did hybrid tank transfer with and then put it in a large refugium to get it eating well/fat before going into the display.

Observation tanks are great for protecting your current fish but bad if they happen to have a fast moving illness. Good luck!

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I found this thread so I can possibly revive it, I intend to get a CBB but my quarantine doesn't consist of meds, I have read that Paraguard works quite well as a prophylactic and I would like to use it, any opinions?

I’ve had poor results using Paraguard in marine systems. I only use it for FW protozoans now.
Jay

 

[LaloJ]

My first copperband I tried was eating great and then died after a few weeks... it ate that morning to dead 8 hours later. Was in observation in a fully cycled/aged tank with corals doing well and all. I assume some disease that was fast killing. They can be prone to uronema which can be internal.

Second one I did hybrid tank transfer with and then put it in a large refugium to get it eating well/fat before going into the display.

Observation tanks are great for protecting your current fish but bad if they happen to have a fast moving illness. Good luck!

That is a very good statement, I suppose that if a fish is fed correctly it's difficult to establish a diagnosis of disease since everything seems to be in order, I hope I don't have that experience.

 

[EakTheFreak]

Well, I have read and compared the experiences of several aquarists and for the majority it definitely does not work as an effective medicine against Cryptocarion, much less velvet, and almost the majority agreed to use it as a prophylactic since it seems to be more "mild" than the treatments with copper, formalin, etc. And in my experience I can tell you that it helped me with bacterial diseases, in the early stages.
To answer your questions, I assume that the effects of a medication are more effective throughout the days, and it is more stressful for the fish to undergo the dips IMO. I don't plan on using any meds, (I've only recently had the idea of paraguard as a prophylactic), I've done qt without meds for 90 days with success, although I'll be ready with Prazipro and Cupramine if needed.

You may want to consider hitting it with Prazipro at the very least.

Did you see what I did with the black mollies? You could always add them to show diseases the Copperband may not be showing.

It’s really not that difficult, you just have to ensure you buy freshwater mollies then convert them to saltwater over 6-8 hour drip. If you want to not hit them with meds that will at least identify the diseases faster!!

 

[LaloJ]

Well, a while ago I tried putting mollys in a saltwater tank and they all died in less than an hour, now I see that I was too foolish to only acclimate them for a few minutes. I told this anecdote to a marine biologist I knew, he told me that saltwater causes irreversible damage to the internal organs of mollys, and sooner or later they will end up dying or at least getting sick, that gave me a lot to think about, no I question what he told me but I have also seen many people occupying mollys in saltwater tanks without problems.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Well, a while ago I tried putting mollys in a saltwater tank and they all died in less than an hour, now I see that I was too foolish to only acclimate them for a few minutes. I told this anecdote to a marine biologist I knew, he told me that saltwater causes irreversible damage to the internal organs of mollys, and sooner or later they will end up dying or at least getting sick, that gave me a lot to think about, no I question what he told me but I have also seen many people occupying mollys in saltwater tanks without problems.

The are different species of mollies and some adapt better than others (sail fins do better than sphenops). All require a slow acclimation, especially if going from pure FW to full salt, I prefer doing that in a tank over three days.
Using mollies as a disease indicator really only works well for marine ich.
Jay

 

[EakTheFreak]

The are different species of mollies and some adapt better than others (sail fins do better than sphenops). All require a slow acclimation, especially if going from pure FW to full salt, I prefer doing that in a tank over three days.
Using mollies as a disease indicator really only works well for marine ich.
Jay

Do you still use Mollies in your QT tanks or for any fragile fish @Jay Hemdal