Quarantine tank setup?

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Hi, I have a 37G saltwater tank which as of right now is only stocked with crabs and snails. All future livestock will be quarantined. My quarantine tank setup is a basic bare-bottom 10G with the back and sides painted black, a small Aquaclear power filter, a small hydor koralia powerhead, a basic lighting fixture from Lowe's with a 100W 6500K CFL bulb, a heater, and a t-shaped pvc tube for fish to hide in.
List of livestock I plan to quarantine:
Cleaner shrimp
Watchman goby+pistol shrimp
Chalk bass
Fire goby
Kaudern's cardinal
Sixline wrasse
Black longspine urchin
Featherduster worm
Zoas, mushrooms, Kenya tree, devil's finger
Trumpet, Favia brain
Birdsnest, monti cap
Fish and inverts will be quarantined for a week, corals for two.
I am most worried about the SPS. Will the lighting be sufficient for them?
 
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What kind of lighting do I need then. I really can't afford more T5's or actinics at the moment. I did hear on another forum that some people had no trouble keeping any type of coral under the lighting I have temporarily, so that's why I got those.
 
i would definitely consider a longer QT than 1-2 weeks. that short of a time you might as well skip the process altogether. IMO.
 
What is your quarantine objective?What is your rationale for how long you will quarantine?
For the fish, just to ease them into the tank and minimize stress. For the corals, to inspect them and make sure they're safe and parasite free before they go in the DT. I also would like to have a QT handy in case of any disease. I have had success quaranting fish for one week in the past.
 
most people from my exp, QT fish for anywhere from 4 - 6 weeks. and corals about the same. the length of time is to ensure nothing is wrong with the live stock that can harm the DT. 1 week of QT may not (probably will not) allow enough time for an illness/disease to show signs.

the downside with the corals is you want the lighting to be adequate or identical to what you will have over the DT which makes for some extra cost.
 
Should I even do a quarantine tank? Sorry I'm making an idiot of myself aren't I.
no not at all :)
personally, if you have the room and ability to do a QT. I would 100% suggest you do. the benefits from a QT set up are insane. the risks taken when directly adding fish and coral to a DT are crazy high.
I've gone through so many different battles from not using a QT, some of which I've won, but most were lost.
 
So...
You have 3 objectives which call for 3 different setups, only one of which is actually a quarantine tank, per se.
For the fish, just to ease them into the tank and minimize stress.
This is an acclimation tank. It is not really a quarantine tank unless you do more with it for the purpose of minimizing the likelihood of introducing parasites or diseases into your display tank. It probably is set up the same way you would set up a proper quarantine tank. You should be able to use only ambient lighting from the room the tank is in. You might even shield the fish in the acclimation tank from direct light for the first few days.

It is also important how you clean and disinfect it between uses if your objective moves from acclimation to proper quarantining.
For the corals, to inspect them and make sure they're safe and parasite free before they go in the DT.
This is getting more toward the purpose of a quarantine tank. You will need the appropriate and different water velocities and light intensities for your different corals. 6500K will possibly make algae grow and take over your tank.

You might be able to produce different water velocity zones in a single tank by putting up a few low baffles that are below the main"blast" of currents. That will spoil the flow pattern, providing low speed currents deep in the tank between the baffles and high speed currents high in the tank above the level of the baffles. This will also produce turbulent currents in the deeper areas.

You should consider dipping your corals before you put them in their QT. Also remove them from the plugs they are on when you acquire them. Do not put the original plugs in the coral QT. Remove and discard those plugs. Use new ones if you want them on plugs.

I also would like to have a QT handy in case of any disease.
This would actually be a hospital tank in which you can administer chemical treatments, medications.and various snake oils. It sets up similarly to your fish acclimation tank or a quarantine tank. Never use previously used media of any kind on this tank. No sand bed, no rock, new PVC fittings for privacy, new filter materials.

Discard theses items between uses. If you use an HOB filter, pre-seed a new sponge for it; e.g., in your sump. If you are medicating check on the inappropriateness of using things like carbon in your filtration. Expect to do a lot of water changing to remove ammonia and other bad stuff.

Be sure to have enough salt mix on hand to maintain a hospital tank. Provide a means to reduce light exposure for this tank, possibly even to it being nearly dark.

Very importantly is thorough cleaning, disinfecting the tank and its support equipment between uses.

Everything you use with the hospital tank should be dedicated to the hospital tank, never shared with any other tanks. This includes the tank, its plumbing, fixtures, pumps, filters, heaters, thermometers and other sensors, even nets and such. In my book, even a refractometer must be dedicated for use only with the hospital tank if you use it for refraction measurements of water that comes from the hospital tank.

fab
 
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I have a noob question... So for the qt water some people said to put fresh rodi water with salt in it and use that for the fish for 4-6 weeks? So my question is don't you need to cycle the water first? I mean this is why we cycle the dt for a month or so right? Would you pull water rom your main tank for your qt tank?

Now op, yes I would qt the fish etc for a few weeks. In the past I just put them right in the dt and one of my tangs got ick and died BUT funny thing is all my other fish did not.. Now I will always leave them in qt for 3-4 weeks.
 
I know that many people here will disagree with me on this, which is great, happens many times in the hobby. I personally did not cycle my QT I just had a lot more work to do. Meaning that I was testing and looking at water parameters everyday and did a sizable water change every other day. This kept ammonia at bay and the fish were happy and eating and made it through a 5 week quarantine with no problems. They are now very happy in the DT. Now there are for sure benefits to cycling the QT. Not as frequent water changes and if you are proactive with medicating (Prazipro, Paraguard, Copper etc.) the meds can sit in the tank without having to worry about changing water a few days later leaving levels of the meds questionable. As with many things there are a few different ways people have done this, just choose the best way you think will work for you and go for it. If it doesn't go as well, you know what to change for next time and can develop your method.
 
Thanks Justin.. What medications, should I get? I also need something for ick just in case
 
In my case I just used I put the fish in the QT and just observed them for a couple days for behavior and eating habits. To me this just sets a baseline so you know how they act with no meds in the water and that they are good coming from the LFS or wherever. Keeping in mind the first day they may act a little odd from the move and new environment, but a couple days they should IMO act "normal."

Now to your actual question, I started with a week of Seachems Paraguard. You can read the directions but you basically have to dose the tank everyday as the levels dissipate pretty quick. Seachem does state that this is safe for use in a QT even without visible signs of parasite or infection. This should take care of any External parasites, virus and bacterial infection. This one is debated because seachem says that it will take care of ich. Many people believe that copper is really the only way to get rid of ich, I honestly am not sure.

I then let it sit for a few days to make sure that the levels of paraguard leave the water. I follow that up with a week of Prazipro. This one is just dosed once and should be at a good level to last the whole week. This one takes care of any internal parasite (tapeworm, flatworm flukes etc) I like to use it because it is things you might not necessarily see.

I again then let it sit for a few days after the treatment week to get the Prazipro out of the water. The last one I use is Seachem Cupramine (copper). I use this for two weeks; as stated before I use this one as insurance to attack any ich that may be present. This you have to dose and maintain at a level of 0.5 mg/L I believe. It is good to have a test kit that will allow you to test and see where the copper level is as if it gets much higher than the 0.5 it will be harmful. One thing to note here that you may know is that copper is not safe for inverts, so just be mindful of what is in the QT when using this. I will then just give the fish a week with no meds to just observe and make sure everything is good to go.

Sorry for the long post, just a few more notes that again you may know but worth a mention. It is recommended that everything you do use in a QT stays isolated to that tank only (pumps, heaters, nets, everything). This just makes sure that anything that we are trying to get rid of does not get transferred to our DT. This also applies to copper, since it will kill inverts and such we do not want to get that into our DT. One other note is that you will want to remove any carbon in the system as this will remove the meds that we are using. I do throw some in between medications and after copper to get rid of any concentration left in the water and remove it before starting the next treatment. It is not recommended to mix any medications which is another reason run a few days carbon in between.

Anyways, that is just the system I personally use. You do not have to treat if you don't see anything, there are many people that will just observe the fish for 5 weeks and treat only if you they see something. Its all just a personal choice. I hope this answers your question and feel free to let me know if you have any more. Even if you choose to only treat what you see IMO these are a few good meds to have on hand just in case.
 
In my case I just used I put the fish in the QT and just observed them for a couple days for behavior and eating habits. To me this just sets a baseline so you know how they act with no meds in the water and that they are good coming from the LFS or wherever. Keeping in mind the first day they may act a little odd from the move and new environment, but a couple days they should IMO act "normal."

Now to your actual question, I started with a week of Seachems Paraguard. You can read the directions but you basically have to dose the tank everyday as the levels dissipate pretty quick. Seachem does state that this is safe for use in a QT even without visible signs of parasite or infection. This should take care of any External parasites, virus and bacterial infection. This one is debated because seachem says that it will take care of ich. Many people believe that copper is really the only way to get rid of ich, I honestly am not sure.

I then let it sit for a few days to make sure that the levels of paraguard leave the water. I follow that up with a week of Prazipro. This one is just dosed once and should be at a good level to last the whole week. This one takes care of any internal parasite (tapeworm, flatworm flukes etc) I like to use it because it is things you might not necessarily see.

I again then let it sit for a few days after the treatment week to get the Prazipro out of the water. The last one I use is Seachem Cupramine (copper). I use this for two weeks; as stated before I use this one as insurance to attack any ich that may be present. This you have to dose and maintain at a level of 0.5 mg/L I believe. It is good to have a test kit that will allow you to test and see where the copper level is as if it gets much higher than the 0.5 it will be harmful. One thing to note here that you may know is that copper is not safe for inverts, so just be mindful of what is in the QT when using this. I will then just give the fish a week with no meds to just observe and make sure everything is good to go.

Sorry for the long post, just a few more notes that again you may know but worth a mention. It is recommended that everything you do use in a QT stays isolated to that tank only (pumps, heaters, nets, everything). This just makes sure that anything that we are trying to get rid of does not get transferred to our DT. This also applies to copper, since it will kill inverts and such we do not want to get that into our DT. One other note is that you will want to remove any carbon in the system as this will remove the meds that we are using. I do throw some in between medications and after copper to get rid of any concentration left in the water and remove it before starting the next treatment. It is not recommended to mix any medications which is another reason run a few days carbon in between.

Anyways, that is just the system I personally use. You do not have to treat if you don't see anything, there are many people that will just observe the fish for 5 weeks and treat only if you they see something. Its all just a personal choice. I hope this answers your question and feel free to let me know if you have any more. Even if you choose to only treat what you see IMO these are a few good meds to have on hand just in case.
Well written ... thanks.
 

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